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 Post subject: Is religion a factor in hauntings?
PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2012 2:08 pm 
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Does religion have anything to do with hauntings? Do you think spirits come through to those who don't have faith, to let us know we were right? There is no Heaven or Hell? Just a constant existence of the soul?

The reason I ask is because I'm atheist, although I was christened as a baby. But neither of my sons have been christened or baptised. They too are non-believers and they seem to get a lot of the same thing I get at home. I have a lot of religious friends who never experience anything like this, so am wondering if that's simply because their minds aren't open to the possibility there may not be a place we all go to after death?

Any thoughts on this please?


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PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2012 2:10 pm 
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PS this is in no way a dig at those who are believers. I respect all beliefs and am not trying to cause a religious debate. I just think it's interesting how some people seem to get more activity than others do. Maybe it's the other way round? Maybe they don't get activity because atheists minds are always thinking we do wander the earth so these spirits are created with our own negativity and not real?


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PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2012 2:11 pm 
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my personal opinion is no, i don't believe in religion and that it has any connection to paranormal events. i would call my self agnostic.


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PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2012 2:22 pm 
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I personally don't think religion has anything to do with hauntings either, although I know there are some on here that will disagree.

We do know that people do actually experience what they perceive to be paranormal phenomena. Whether it is actually paranormal or not is still open to debate, but we know it is reported by religious types and atheists alike. Fact.

Religion is a belief system, and although there's nothing wrong with people believing what they wish, it is just when people started quoting their belief system as fact where problems arise. Just because a vicar or medium tells you you've got a ghost doesn't mean a thing, it's just an opinion without something else to back the claim up.

Generally I do think that religious types are more inclined to jump to a 'spirit' conclusion about anything strange than an atheist though.

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i agree pretty much everything there doktor_phibes


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you are very wise sir :D :D

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thank you :)


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"Generally I do think that religious types are more inclined to jump to a 'spirit' conclusion about anything strange than an atheist though."

Really? Oh wow it's different here. Most of the people who live in my area are, shall we say, not church goers. But they seem to believe more in spirit than the religious friends I have. It's strange because I often get quoted from the bible that God doesn't believe in ghosts (sorry, I don't know the bible but apparently there's a sentence in there which says something about God getting angry when ghosts are mentioned)

Interesting though :)


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Well I'm not a Christian but I'm sure there are bits in the Bible where Jesus 'exorcises spirits'.

Just goes to show how subjective religion is.

Maybe the reason that the people in your area are more open the belief in 'ghosts' is to do with something else other than religion. Geographical? Cultural maybe?

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I've sent you an email by the way Venus.

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Only in the sense that people in Ye Olde Days feared being cast into hell and being burned to a cinder when they died - as promised by their friendly, all forgiving religion - that they'd make up all manner of "ghost" stories to describe how others could have avoided that fate.

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God doesn't believe in ghosts



is there not the saying
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In the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost.?
is that not in the bible?? as I know vicar's do preach this at times.

I might open a few eyes here, but myself, I do not believe in heaven and hell, I myself was not christened or baptised (was a very ill baby, and mother leaving me and my sister, it never got done lol.) But yea, I may be athiest myself in a way. If there is a heaven and hell, I class heaven as spirit world and hell.... well we live on it :)

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don't know if this answers the original question, but i can recommend "religion explained" by pascal boyer. i always tell people it's a crap title but a great book!

it essentially looks at evolution of belief in gods, supernatural agents, rituals etc. there are obviously many connections between religious beliefs and paranormal beliefs.

so i'd say not sure if religion is a "factor" in hauntings, but in terms of belief and interpretation there are definitely similarities.

there is also a related book, "why anyone would believe in gods" by justin barrett if anyone is interested


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I've not heard of that. Will check it out.

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religion of the witness - no I don't think so...

but religion affecting the spirit I firmly believe has much to do with hauntings.

many cases of communication have spirits declaring that they are scared to go forward because of the tortures that they believe await them...judgement, throwing into the pit and all that.....the survivalafterdeath site was brilliant in having so many texts and transcripts online (alas)

I have always been amused (if that's the correct word to use) about the numbers of priests, monks and nuns there are wandering about former ecclesiastical buidings...


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