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PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 2:27 pm 
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ok so the same photos, cropped and enlarged. Bare in mind that by enlarging them the package will add pixels in such a way that it may effect the original.

For example, if you took a black circle and enlarged it, the sides would look stepped. If you did this enough it would cease to be a circle and would end up like an imperferfect octogon.

Just thought I'd point this out before people start getting excited.


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2 last ones before Mark emails me the originals. Then I'll go to town on them.

I've run the autolevels facility on these two in Photoshop. It basically runs an equation through it to balance the colour range. Photographers and illustrators use this quite a lot to make sure that their scans and photo's are in the package and look more like your original artwork or whatever it is that you are using before you start manipulating the image digitally and drawing stuff on it. It just means that you have a better foundation.

In this instance it means that we might be able to get a better look at the faces and pull some info out of the photograph that's hidden in the shadows.

When I get the originals I'll play around with the same filter types by hand to see if I can get more out of it than the computers generic facility.

Anyway I think that this makes them quite interesting. You can almost see the the face change expression between the 2 images and maybe angle.

Take into account that he was using a mobile phone without a tripod so his viewpoint can change and that could cause the effect.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 3:59 pm 
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Interesting.

I've built a composite from versions of the original number 4 photo. I ran each one through the following:
1 x auto contrast
1 x auto levels
1 x auto colour
1x auto levels followed by auto contrast followed by auto colour in that order (I got the best results from this sequence)
1 x levels and curves by hand

I've then layered them on top of each other and used different modes (the screen one worked best) and different opacities. The image that you see below is the best results that I manged to draw out of the original image. Bare in mind that this is my personal preferences on the detail, I imagine someone else could have a different opinion.

See what you think?

What I noticed whilst I did it was the amount of light that was on the most obvious face which seems to have cast shadows and reflected making it appear a 3D object. Quite what that object is to be seen and debated.

What I did notice about the second face whilst I was doing this, the one furthest in the background, was that it changed as I was producing the image. At one point it looked like there was one face on with its mouth open looking at the camera and then at other points it looked like it was in profile. I'm fairly certain this is a cardboard box on top of the wardrobe and most certainly the fact that I kept being able to reinterpret the image depending on the digital correction suggests that it is simulacrum and the effect that Phibes was talking about earlier.

What is strange though is that there almost appears to be a 3D 'snake' shape on the main faces head that looks like it could have been interpreted previously as hair. It's jaw at one point looked like it could have been a suit case handle.

I'll post the composite first and then all the other images I produced along the way so that you can see them too.

Once I've done this I'll do the same process on the 3rd image as it is the second best and post all of those too.

After that I can do the others too but they're not as good quality. It's worth doing though just time consuming.

Finally I'll build a final composite out of all of the images and hey presto we'll see a duffle bag with a rope tie on top of it and a handle on the bottom. If I get a 'Nike' logo on it we'll have a good laugh and you can all buy me a pint.


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Is there a chance this guy has a severed head on top of his wardrobe?

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Sorry, but I couldn't resist. :D


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I can't see it. What have you done?

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I think theres something weird on that photo of yours now Mark. Can't put my finger on it. Have you tampered with the wallpaper?

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image 3 composite


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I still thinks its a bag or quilt on top of the cupboard. Sorry. :(

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The 'Wooooooo!' is a really nice touch : )


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I'm sure its a box behind it. But then maybe its a real imp and the simulacra is that it looks like a box or a quilt.

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right here we are then so we have something to analyse...

the 3rd composited first

the fourth composite second

and lastly...

a composite of the 3rd and 4th composites.

this last one in theory should show us what we're looking at. I'll try buggering about with the other two but I'm not sure if its worth it.


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for me the little Freddy Kruegar bobble head that you can see in the second photo on my last post (the fourth on we were given) thats tucked in the background is definitely a cardboard box, you can see it on the final composite.

The main head is either a ghost, a real humand head thats been severed, a mask, a bag or a duvet. If you look at the second image again which I still think is the best the hair on the head is obviously a hook. I have no idea what this object is but rest assured it is a 3D object and not a ghost, unless a ghost reflects light and can balance a hook on its head which can cast a shadow on it then it's a 3D object of one sort or another and we're looking at a simulacrum.

If anyone can be arsed measuring the width of a load of cupboards, build up an average cupboard width we cann attempt an estimate at how wide the head is. It looks almost as wide as cupboard door which suggests that its really quite large. I'm presuming that we can all agree that these objects are on top of the wardrobe of course and not flaoting around in the ether.

If its a head, I'm guessing its a bloody big one.

It may look like a face from the angle that we're at, but I think that if a duvet was shoved on top of a cupboard you could look at it in the dark from several angles and from at least one angle it could look like a face. Its a shame we don't ahve a different angle completely, i.e. from directly in front of the wardrobe. I reckon if we had that we would see that its a duvet or something and what we're seeing from this angle is anomalous.

What do the rest of you think?

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What I think we should take into account though is that before it was enhanced it looked like a face due to the shadows. When they're enhanced it looks even more like a face... more info came out of the photo's providing a chin and a mouth. To a certain extent therefore we can say that it is a face. But that doesn't mean to say it's a ghost. You can buy rubber heads from FANGORIA and I've even seen Film props on ebay. A few years ago I saw a zombie from 28 days later on ebay that had been thrown off a building or run over. It was basically a big rubber human prop for splattering.

There's no reason that this guy couldn't have made a head even. Its simple enough with paper mache and liquid latex. Most SFX guys start this way.

I don't really know what we're looking at to be honest.

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I'm presuming its not a real head and he's a serial killer who wants to be caught.

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doktor_phibes wrote:
I still thinks its a bag or quilt on top of the cupboard. Sorry. :(


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theres definitely something on top of the head that looks like a hook.

Is this what he pulled his victims head off with or is it to stop the duvet from falling off the top of the wardrobe.

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The hook is there so he hang them up to dry out. I looked at one of the pics that John sent me via email yesterday, none of the enhanced one mind you, but from what I could see it resembled a big rubber halloween mask or stage prop as John suggested. Looking at the bathrobe hanging on the door and figuring the size of an adult wearing that, the head is pretty large, which would fit with it being something like a mask.

I will have to take a look at the enhanced ones further as I can't make out that much detail from those posted here, too fuzzy to be honest, but I'm not convinced it's anything spectral, unless it's a tall demon failing miserably at hide and seek with the ghost seen in Mark's version of the pic.

And the woooooooooooooo makes it for me, it really does. :D :D

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I really do think he's got a big model head on to of his cupboard. It's not that unfeasible. It's much more likely than it being a ghost. If it is a ghost why does it look like a caricature?

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why does it have a transparent look though? could that be down to the camera on the phone? on the originals it seems to get stronger and look more like a face?


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probably the qulaity of the phone picture.

Its not transparent though cos you can see that it has shadows on it and refection of light. Safely say its not a vampire LOL

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Could it be a shiny crash helmet, that's the impression I'm getting from those later enhancements, though like I said they quality isn't great here on the forum post, so I'm just having to go from the fuzzy picture I can see, but from the shape of it, there does seem to be something like a chin guard area like you would get on a crash helmet for a motorbike.

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I'd definitely go with the Crash Helmet idea.


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