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PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 12:31 pm 
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Are investigators guilty of creating ghosts?

By using techniques such as table tipping, putting store in such things as flashing lights on a K2 meter or attributing slight tapping noises to spirit, do paranormal investigation groups cause places to seem active when in fact they are not, and fuel more paranormal bullshit?

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Depending on which paranormal group I guess, there are teams that just want proof, then there are them fakers who would do things just for their entertainment and to keep their paying customers satisfaction.

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AprilButterfly wrote:
then there are them fakers who would do things just for their entertainment and to keep their paying customers satisfaction.

and we've seen videos to prove it! :D

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I guess I can categorically state that I dont fuel any bullshit lol.

I am so glad that you guys all know that I dont wish to offend anyone though. Makes my interpretations easier to share with you all. :)

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I think its great that we can all speak our minds and not offend anyone. If you think something is bullshit then you should say so, as long as people give their reasons why and are not just out to offend there should be no problem.

By trying to cut through the bullshit you should not be regarded as just being a 'debunker', but rather as an 'investigator' trying to get to the truth of the matter.

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Even in my limited experience, I have seen some dodgy 'table tipping' (not with NGI I hasten to add!). It was almost unbelievable to watch...of course its very difficult to say anything, because people get carried away in the moment...but in the cold light of day, i wonder how many question what they were involved in?


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NGI has been involved in dodgy table tipping too when we used to do guest nights. The main problem is deciding whether it is done involuntary or not. All you can do is explain the people ALL the reasons that the table might be moving and let them form their own conclusions.

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I always smile slightly from the Darlington Forum tipping, it was so wierd how it would move slightly with Docs energy on the table and stop as soon as he removed his fingers. Is that still an un answered table tipping event?? as even when the lights where out and no one could see anyone's fingers on table, it still happened did it not doc

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It sure did. I was sure someone was setting me up until we tried it in complete darkness and the tipping still stopped when I 'secretly' removed my hands. All I can assume that I was indeed involved in tipping it slightly even though I was sure I wasn't. It just goes to show how this method if flawed.

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i think theres alot of groups who do fake stuff entirely for entertainment purposes
we had one team member who was caught tipping the table, luckily it was by another team member and not a customer. so we unfortuantly had to let him go, i dont condone faking whatsoever, ive had it plenty of times when ive been shuffling about with my camera at an event and a customer says did u here that, i always say it was just me.

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Fakery should never be tollerated, but the problem with something like table tipping is that for a person to fake he or she must be aware they are doing it and with the slight movement of a table how can you be sure it's not ideomotor or something?

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with this person it was plainly obvious, not by the customers who were tipping with him but watching him was. and if it was ideomotor it was an extreme case.

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sounds fair enough.

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anytime I know I have made a noise and someone says 'did you hear that' I always put my hand up 'sorry that was me'

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dont like people that fake things

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same hear and I've go no intention of associating myself with people who do.

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thats why we let him go. why some people find the need to fake things is beyond me, just like doctored photos is it someone just messing about or trying to get th title of best ghost photo ever captured lol.

at the end of the day people come on the event in the knowledge that nothing might happen at all.

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well as investigators we know that, but more often than not the public often seem to think it will be like they've seen on the tele.

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another most haunted with loads of fake u tube action on lol

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There are way too many fakes out there! Personally I dont believe in mediums, ghosts etc etc but i wont go on about that lol I know a lot of fake so called "Mediums" etc hell ive even worked with some but only person they are faking are themselves and making themselves look stupid. Stories i could tell lol
But as I say each to their own.......


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doktor_phibes wrote:
I think its great that we can all speak our minds and not offend anyone. If you think something is bullshit then you should say so, as long as people give their reasons why and are not just out to offend there should be no problem.

By trying to cut through the bullshit you should not be regarded as just being a 'debunker', but rather as an 'investigator' trying to get to the truth of the matter.


Debunker! that sounds familair lol oh aye I was one! :D
Nah I think its awful when People fake stuff Especially a team member!


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