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PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 10:31 am 
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well those interested can have a game of truth or dare but yes, I meant literally 'lie down' on it.........

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 10:34 am 
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just checking :wink:

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 10:06 pm 
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The hospital episode That Triplows talking about , I thinkwas an old asylum somewhere near Manchester. They weren't allowed to name the place so as to keep ghost hunters and drunk teenagers out. It came under huge criticism because the location that they were at wasn't an asylum and had not ever been one. Viwers recognised it. Basicall they made it up. I'll see if I can find the link.

and 2 seconds later here it is. It is from the Daily Mirror which is known as having about as much credibilty as Most haunted to be fair. I know Kieran reacted to this article elsewhere and said it was unfounded. I'll try and find that link too. In the meantime enjoy this from the incredibly short web address of
http://www.mirror.co.uk/celebs/news/200 ... -16303507/

"SPOOKY TRUTH: TV'S MOST HAUNTED CON EXPOSED TV
By Matt Roper 28/10/2005

THE TV show that has spooked millions with its footage of hauntings and poltergeists is today exposed as a fake - by one its own stars.

Resident parapsychologist Dr Ciaran O'Keeffe has sensationally lifted the lid on the ghosthunting series, Most Haunted ... and claims that the public are being deceived by "showmanship and dramatics."

He accuses the show's medium Derek Acorah of hoodwinking viewers by pretending to communicate with spirits and obtaining information about locations prior to filming.

The Mirror has also obtained unedited footage which appears to show presenter Yvette Fielding and her husband faking 'paranormal' occurrences such as ghostly bumps and knocks.

Most Haunted has quickly achieved cult status since it was launched in 2002 and is LivingTV's most successful programme.

Millions of viewers tune in regularly to watch Ex-Blue Peter girl Yvette and her team of ghost hunters spend the night in some of Britain's most haunted locations.

It has made Acorah - who claims to be guided by an Ethiopian spirit guide called Sam - into one of the country's best-known psychics.

Tonight the show will start its biggest ever live vigil, a four-night Halloween special from East London following the murderous trail of Jack the Ripper.

Yvette Fielding has said of the show - which is made by her husband Karl Beattie's production company Antix Productions: "There is no acting in this programme, none whatsoever. Everything you see and you hear is real. It's not made up, it's not acted."

But our investigation reveals how the programme uses careful editing to mislead viewers and, on at least one occasion, has even lied about the location of filming.

Ciaran, a lecturer in the paranormal at Liverpool's Hope University, knows speaking out will probably put an end to his media career... but he believes viewers should know the truth.

He says: "I think it's time to open the dialogue about what I've experienced on Most Haunted. There have been many incidents with the medium that have been brushed under the carpet.

"I was put in the show to give a professional slant to it, to give it an element of credibility, but the sceptical argument is just swept away.

"In my opinion, we're not dealing with genuine mediumship."

He says he isn't the only member of the crew who feels viewers are being cheated.

"Other crew members have been irked by Derek and what's going on, because it turns what should be a serious investigation into a laughing matter."

And our exclusive footage shows other members of the team occasionally forget they are on camera.

One of our clips, later edited out, shows Karl push an unwitting sound man in the dark and pretend it was a poltergeist attack.

In the remaining footage he says (after surreptitiously hitting the soundman): "S**t, did you feel that?"

Yvette: Are you all right? What's happened?

Karl: I felt something touch me on my shoulder.

Soundman: I felt something hit me.

And in another edited clip with medium Ian Lawman, Yvette is seen on camera making a deep sigh. In the scene that eventually went to air, Ian (after Yvette sighs) says: "What's that noise?

Yvette: What noise? Like a moan?

Ian: Breathing or something.

Yvette: I heard like an 'arrggh'.

Ciaran, who joined Most Haunted in April 2004 became suspicious of Acorah's antics on a shoot at Castle Leslie, Co Monaghan in Ireland where a 17th Century four-poster bed has been claimed to levitate.

Ciaran recalls: "As we walked into the bedroom, Derek touched the bed and came out with extremely accurate information.

"He insisted he got all the information just from touching the bed. But it was the wrong bed."

Antix Productions claims the mediums have no idea where they will be filming or know any details about the history of the locations.

But Ciaran says: "Derek must have had prior knowledge of the locations."

He devised a plan to see if Derek was deliberately deceiving the public.

While on a shoot at Bodmin gaol he invented a long-dead South African jailer called Kreed Kafer - an anagram of Derek Faker.

"I wrote the name down and asked another member of the crew to mention it to Derek before filming.

"I honestly didn't think Derek would take the bait. But during the filming he actually got possessed by my fictional character!"

On the next shoot at Prideaux Place, Cornwall, Ciaran made up another fictional character, highwayman Rik Eedles - an anagram of Derek Lies. Sure enough, Derek made contact with the dead outlaw.

Ciaran says: "In my professional opinion we're not dealing with a genuine medium.

"When Derek is possessed he is doing it consciously - all we are seeing is showmanship and dramatics."

Ciaran went a step further at Craigievar Castle, near Aberdeen.

"I made up stories about Richard the Lionheart, a witch, and Richard's apparition appearing to walk through a wardrobe - the lion, the witch and the wardrobe!" True to form, Derek mentioned all Ciaran's stories - even though Richard I reigned 500 years BEFORE Craigievar Castle was built.

The final straw came last month when Most Haunted presented a three-night special from Manchester.

On the second evening, the show claimed to be broadcasting live from the site of Cheadle's Victorian asylum, a place where - according to presenter David Bull - thousands died in torment. In fact they were in the derelict remains of Barnes Convalescence Home - where nobody died in torment.

Ciaran remembers: "Derek was communicating with spirits that sounded as if they'd been in an asylum, but it was never an asylum."

Yesterday the Mirror confronted Derek Acorah with Ciaran's allegations. He told us: "I've worked with Ciaran for many shows and he's got every right to say what he says.

"However, it does shock and surprise me. Not only do I believe that I am a genuine medium - I live my work 24 hours a day. If I thought that I wasn't a true medium, I wouldn't work as one."

A spokesman for LivingTV said: "Ciaran O'Keeffe has worked as the programme's official sceptic for 18 months and during this time has not brought any of his concerns to our attention.

"LivingTV has not seen any of your filmed evidence, but will fully investigate your claims."
P.S I cut the sexy advert out of the middle of the article LOL

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 10:31 pm 
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Best Most Haunted for me was in Clerkenwell Jail, Acoarh lost it and appeared genuinely scared. It always seemed strange to me that as a 'medium' who alegedly is a fake that he would go into haunted places and pretend these things without being affected by the surroundings in some way. This has led me to believe that he therefore must be a sceptic, as a genuine 'medium' (whatever that means) will presumable be affected by a a 'real' haunted location. As he is presumably not affected by it and is more akin to fakery this surely suggests that he hasn't any mediumistic abilities otherwise he wouldn't be able to fake it because these atmospheres can be so strong that they really want to make you wretch.
I recount my stay at The Red Lion in Avebury, the atmosphere was so strong in the corridor leading up to my room that I felt sick before even stepping foot in there. The room itself just felt like static was filling it. In that episode of MH that featured the Red Lion, everything that he got apart from the child spirit of a boy, was printed on the menu available in the bar. He stepped foot in the room that I stayed in and said there was nothing of any importance there. But all the orb activity that they caught was in that room and when I stayed ther I got about 2 hours sleep before all the madness started. As soon as we stepped in we saw lights above the bed.
If this is the Most Haunted pub in the country as it claims to be and stits still the most haunted location that I've been to for the record, then surely he wouldn't have to fake it. As I've said elsewhere its more effort to fake it than it is to say what your seeing, what your feeling and what your picking up. Its money for old rope, so why bother, if your not a charlatan?

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liked clerkenwell but loved the pendle hill live show 8)

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 11:32 pm 
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How do you feel about making stuff as opposed to saying what you get though, being backable by research and being discovered to be accurate or fallicy?

For me it doesn't matter. Is part of the process, I'm happy to be told that whats caused my experience is EMF as inThe Busby Stoop. Whats important is that we are in the field finding stuff. If we disprove stuff.... great, if we get stuff thats accurate... weird.

Thats me though; the sceptical medium... well if Lawman can have is monikers I'm having mine too :lol:

As long as I can have first dabs at the naming process, 'The Sitting On The Fence Sensitive' crossed my mind too.

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