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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 12:37 pm 
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so really, you only have there word then,at least 2 as then its a comparison to the truth


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well you only really can take peoples word for it when dealing with sensitives. The main thing is that the team trusts them and they are more than open to criticism.

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As you know it is always far better to compair rather than hope for the best


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 12:51 pm 
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But in all reality we could have had two complete and utter loonies as mediums. And then where would we be? we could compare crap with crap and still produce yet more crap. We just dont work that way.

Two comlete loonies would be no better than one complete loonie.

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loonies? have you as you say EMPLOYED, (NOT A BUISNESS) LOONIES.i did state 2 good ones to compare each others notes


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loonies? have you as you say EMPLOYED, (NOT A BUISNESS) LOONIES.i did state 2 good ones to compare each others notes



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i know anth been there got the badges


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I'd argue that for investigation we dont need a single sensative, as it happens, we dont need a good sensative. We have two already who surpass anything I have come across before.


Sensitives? Do you mean they cry a lot or get allergies? :lol:

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well you only really can take peoples word for it when dealing with sensitives. The main thing is that the team trusts them and they are more than open to criticism.


Thing is, if the focus is investigation of a location, then can the team afford to trust or take anyone's word for it? As soon as trust comes into the field, then the investigation is immediately open to criticism.

If however, the sensitives themselves were the subject of investigation, put through controlled rigorous testing etc, then it might open up new avenues of controlled investigation?

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by 'trust' I meant we trust them to be telling us what they are really feeling rather than making things up to be the star of the show and get attention. I agree they are far too many 'medium led' investigations and this is something that we try not to do.

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well try to invest without,try to have a couple go in and be monitered, then another couple do the same ............ without compaireing notes on that night, makes sence to me. then try to have a medium go in on there own, then you might get some results :!:


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well try to invest without,try to have a couple go in and be monitered, then another couple do the same ............ without compaireing notes on that night, makes sence to me. then try to have a medium go in on there own, then you might get some results :!:



How would we know they were results?
We could compare notes, but interpretation can mean a lot.

You could send me in and I could describe what I picked up. Whats to say it isnt any less truthfull than what a "medium" would pick up?

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well anth if a medium comes out with the same as you! that must be gospel. :shock: but surley its far better to compair than to have uno person come out with crap


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well try to invest without,try to have a couple go in and be monitered, then another couple do the same ............ without compaireing notes on that night, makes sence to me. then try to have a medium go in on there own, then you might get some results :!:


Thing is, how can an investigation team counter the psychological effect of a location on the medium? Subconsciously, anyone to some extent entering a location such as a building picks up on environmental and man made factors. Ceiling height, location of door, type of walls, air heat, drafts, humidity: all factor in to how a person reacts to a location (differing from room to room), and sometimes the very construction of a room, building etc lends to potential knowledge of what use the building has, or has had in the past. From that, the brain extrapolates the people that may have lived in the building/locale.

Nothing to do with communication with the dead, just the natural human ability to read the environment (otherwise known as survival instinct).

How would an investigation team separate this effect from a medium's ability to speak to the dead?

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well anth if a medium comes out with the same as you! that must be gospel. :shock: but surley its far better to compair than to have uno person come out with crap



No what I am saying is I am just as capable of walking into a room and making up as much crap as some mediums.

What I was refering to was, why take the word of a medium over anything else, and what makes a medium so above suspicion?
I could walk into any building and fill a group so full of rubbish they would have a brilliant night. You dont need a medium. However it does offer, should you wish to, a route of historical reference. I.E in one investugation we got a name, a date and place of burial.....I've just remembered that I should follow this up. So these things can be checked against the historical record.

If you are sensative Pam, tell me something about myself. Its the only way I am prepared to beleive.

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hear hear................ agreed, :D so really as every person is different in thought pattern, there really cannot be any form of team, unless you have the ripple affect one leading on to the nexted thoughts of what they had seen heard or mass hysteria


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Not sure I understood than?

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A team is a group of people with a similar aim.

When I investigate I do my own thing. I try my own things. I play with technology, I wait to see if things will happen.
So far with NGI I have drawn a blank.

But what I do love about NGI is the way we all interact and get along. These guys are a top bunch of people who accepted me amongst them and seem to have respect for what I think.

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anth, pointless telling you things, as for 1, i no alot already about you. when we chatted and you liked me then.2 even if i did, you would still not want to belive,


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I don't think its a case of not wanting to believe. I mean who wouldn't want to believe in the existence of life after death? It is just that you can't expect people to take your word for it if you provide no evidence.

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anth, pointless telling you things, as for 1, i no alot already about you. when we chatted and you liked me then.2 even if i did, you would still not want to belive,



Its not that I dont like you Pam, I just have suspicions.
I've seen and heard so much over the years on here that either you have a very unlucky life or things arent as straight forward as it seems.

You know some things about me pam.
You may know my belief, you may know which team i was with before. You may know whom I was friendly with in the other team.
You dont know my grandads name, you dont know the names of my wifes grandparents whom I asked you if they followed us to our new home.

this is the kind of thing I am looking for.
Now I would have been astounded if you had tried to give me some info, the fact you didnt, kind of confirms my suspicions.

I've just sene conflicting info and as a result I have been forward and honest enough to state what I think.
If I showed you a piece of black paper and told you it was white. Would you trust my judgement on colour next time?

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i canot see your face anth? i no you lost a baby though, and you have a illness, that affects your mind! not your fault though. i also no you get stressed alot


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none of which is not easily available on here.
I've discussed it all on here.


OK heres one thing. What happened to me in the last month that was so out of character?

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i no you lost a baby though, and you have a illness, that affects your mind! not your fault though. i also no you get stressed alot


If Anth had not discussed this information, do you think it is morally right to say things like that about someone on a public forum? If someone posted that I had an illness that affected my mind and by work mates read it it could put me in a difficult situation.

Surely mediums have a responsibility?

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out of character! like i said i cannot see your face, and you also forget i was and have been away from here for along time, so never had time or could not acsess internet. so wrong there, but give me a while and i will tell you what went on in your life.................. as i said mark, i am not NOR EVER WILL BE TAGGED AS A MEDIUM. AND THERE WAS NOTHING I READ, IF SOMEONE ELSE WROTE IT


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