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...mediums on here ever subjected themselves to any 'testing' of their psychic abilities?
Or does anyone know a medium who has?
And what are your opinions on this 'testing'.....which mostly seems to be done by the more debunking side of the 'septics'?

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Uri Geller had extensive testing in the 70s apparently.

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he fuckin needs it....

I know you like him Mark but from what i've seen of him I dont believe a word..........he's a magician to me end of.

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Many would agree with you on that point Claire, and his effects are easily replicated through 'trickery', although they never seem to do this under the exact conditions.

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I know what your saying Mark......many mediumistic things can be recreated using 'trickery' but that alone doesnt mean that its all 'tricks'....however there are many 'different' things which in certain disciplines can be 'mastered' and are not 'paranormal' as such but, like anything....with good showmanship can be passed off as such.........and 'played' with...

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I read this story recently which it think is interesting. Here's a link to it on the Geller site, although this is not where the story originated from.

http://site.uri-geller.com/geller_spanner_silverstone

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just read that Mark.....interesting!!!

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what is it about Uri that you like Mark?

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First and foremost I like the guy. I've spoken with him a couple of times and for someone who had had as much fame as he has in his life he comes across as very humble. I know he is an unashamed self-publicist and businessman (not the most convincing things for someone who says he's psychic to be I admit), but that doesn't mean that he can't do what he claims.

To my knowledge in all the years that he has been doing his thing he has not been caught 'faking it', which I think is a great feat. Sure, people can replicate some of his effects albeit under different conditions, but that doesn't mean a thing. The US government spent a lot of money 'testing' him during the 70s and he still managed to produced his effects under their test conditions.

His abilities (some would say 'act'), has not changed over all these years which I also think adds to his credibility.

I also like the fact that he's still married to the same woman and that he won against James Randi in their court battle.

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nice 1!

Do you believe his abilities are what he says they are Mark, or do you just like the fact that regardelss of whether they are or they arent he has maintained the same for a long peroid of time.

Bannachek also fooled the 'testers'..........

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project Alpha:

http://www.banachek.org/nonflash/index.htm

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If I was presented with evidence that showed me Geller 'faking it' then fair enough, I wouldn't argue. All I can do at the moment is base my opinions on what I know and feel at this moment in time, which is that Geller can produce effects that I believe are possibly paranormal in origin as he claims they are.

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I dont 'know' if he's genuine or he isnt and probably never will.Based on what I've read, seen and heard of him as it stands now,I dont believe a word that comes out of his mouth......and thats everything, not just the paranormal stuff.
I might meet him and change my opinion happily, but as it is now he brings out a bit of a reaction in me similar to what Chris French does in you. But thats down to presentation more than anything.......Uri is just too squeaky for my tastes.....so what 'helps' shape your opinion of him 'hinders' him to me.......interesting!
And neither of us are any more aware of that all elusive 'truth' and probably will never be!Regarding Uri anyway!
Funny how 'presentation' plays are far bigger part than we like to admit,even to oursleves.

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Yeh, presentation is a very powerful tool in shaping peoples opinions.

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would you say more then the subject?

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In some cases I would say 'yes'. I suppose it depends on the people that are being presented too. How easily they are manipulated etc.

I wouldn't say that I was gullible. Having seen 'mediums' at work in spiritualist churches I have come away feeling very unimpressed while others have hung on to their every word. But because I say that I believe that Geller could be a genuine psychic, many people would label me as gullible. Funny thing perception.

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Interesting you use 'gullible'.

Observing people 'presenting' things, as well as the dynamics involved (and peoples 'reactions' to this) at each given time etc, is as relevent to explore as emf fields, the information mediums give,the architecture and its effect on the psyche, how people react/behave in certain circumstances to certain stimuli etc etc etc.

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Observing people 'presenting' things, as well as the dynamics involved (and peoples 'reactions' to this) at each given time etc, is as relevent to explore as emf fields


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disagree.....I think 'useful' emf research is relevant and viable to the same degree........I think I know where your coming from with this but to say one area is worthier of more 'research' than another could be misleading.....

To me the same degree of 'exploration' (unless the 'subject' seems to be completely unrelated etc,which might influence 'degrees' etc for obvious reasons) should be given to all things, or why bother at all.

There are many, many aspects to be explored in the presentational style and dynamics involved (reactions included etc and all the rest etcetcetc),it is a huge field, yet little if any 'degree' of exploration is given to this in regards 'ghost investigating' itself, which is a damn shame.Parapsychology goes there, yet refuses to get its arse out of the lab and into the real world most of the time...which is a little odd to me but there you go!


Using the Emf's there has been some very interesting things which show that these do have some influence on brain activity and can give people 'ghost' experiences etc (I use the term 'ghost loosely but you know what I mean!), these can be recreated in a lab and there are many 'natural' (not neccessarily organic though hehe!) things which cause varying emf's etc. The link to 'ghosts' themselves seems a natural one to make, however my interest in this personally is being able to measure and trace what exactly is causing these at the times to then see what is causing the fluctuations/high/low 'readings' (if there are any!) where people report 'ghost ' experiences etc. This to me isnt setting out with the 'negative' of 'disproving'.....its about taking onboard something which could be as viable a cause for peoples experiences as the effects of 'presentation' and all that entails etc so is as worthy of looking into.

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I just meant that I think that Observing people 'presenting' things is a lot more 'commonplace' in having an effect on things than EMF, not that it is 'more important', if you get what I mean.

I've often said we should take everything into account in paranormal research. That's why I disagree when groups start talking about not using Ouijas, mediums etc. to sound more credible. There is a danger of throwing the baby out with the bath water.

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I thought you meant that Mark, like you say you've often said it, just the way you had worded your post I didnt want t to seem that I felt that any area warrented 'more degrees' of exploration than any other!

I agree that when people give 'emphasis' to 'technology' and seem to think this is 'science' and only 'science' , I get bemused.

They seem to totally ignore/forget about the 'social' sciences!

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I don't think we should give emphasis to one thing over another. At then end of the day, we still don't have a clue what we are dealing with so how would we really know what to put the emphasis on?

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Absolutely agreed!

Hence what I said in my other post!

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agreed!

Hence what I said! :wink: :wink: :wink:

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u got nits?????

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