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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 10:35 pm 
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Hi there once again i have often heard about when someone is
near to dying that they have seen someone from there past whether
it be a family member or a friend and they were coming for them
so to speak.
As a matter of fact my own mother the night before she died she
kept asking me what the time was which i thought was odd at the
time not being the type of thing my mam ever asked.
But she kept saying the lights were going on at one o clock and that
Ellen was coming for her to take her home.
my mam died just turned one the next day Ellen was her Grandmother
well the only Ellen we new of but then that made me wonder why
would she call her Ellen and not Grandmother.
My Mam was very close toher grandmother which as i have said i have
heard of this many times.
What i'm really trying to say is does anyone think there is a possibility
that this happens or do you think its wishful thinking and the people
in last stages of life are hoping for this to happen to take away the
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Hi

Yes this has been said, A lot of people have experiences of this.

Crisis Apparitions

Apparitions of the dying or recently dead (usually less than twelve hours, but as much as 24-48 hours) are the most frequently reported of apparitions. This category commonly involves one-time visits to someone with whom the apparition has close emotional ties. Though the encounter usually seems to be a type of farewell, sometimes important and useful information is relayed to the "viewer." Though dying is the most common crisis, other life-threatening situations can also trigger apparitional visits. In these cases, the crisis apparition typically visits a close associate in an appeal for help

Apparitions of the Dead

These are apparitions of people who have generally been dead longer than 12-48 hours. There are two subsets: 1) those that make one or several visits to someone (they may not have known this person while alive) and 2) the very rare cases of apparitions that linger for months or years around a particular location or person that they associated with when alive.

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They are assioated with a persons mind, when emotions are running high and anxiety. Psyhological!


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 10:52 am 
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i myself have died, for 3mins, and when i did, there was no spirit waiting for me , all i felt was a cold blackness an abyss of nothing, thats no to say that i hadny crossed over any boundrys, i thinkwhen i remember rightly, that there were images ofpeople i new and i was crying ,as i couldnt reach them :roll:


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so why in the eyes of a skeptic, is it possible that people that are so near death, to have paranomal experiances, and in a same situation when people are having panic attacks etc, were they feel as if they are dying do they not have any experiances, surley its the same? as sometimes the dying dont know whars happening, the same as people with heart attacks could die :)


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I'd like to Thankyou Andrea for your reply it was very helpful very
interesting information.
To be honest i think its through the esperience i had with my mam and
six months later the loss of my father that has made me want to
learn about the paranormal.
I would also like to Thank you Pam for sharing such a personal
exsperience that you had obviously an exsperience you will never
forget it must have been a very disturbing exsperience for you so
once again Thanks for replying to my question


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To Pam First - Depends on how ill a person is before dying or whatever the circumstance is not everyone has these experiences only so many people, The mind can play the most wonderful tricks on us and if anyone is feeling rather vunerable then this is when these experience's happen.
Ask your self isnt it weird that people who are near death or very ill have these experiences. The most common thing is when people are maybe having an operation wether its lift threating or not certain people experience this too. There has been so many Experiements conducted by the medical profession and Psychologists. Again the majority who has this experience and SP are believers.

Phantom Lady - No worries, as u can see some of us believe in the paranormal and unexplained, Personally i dont. I try and take a logical look at things but dont think i could be like that if i had not studied Psychology. None of us are right, it is our own personal Views but maybe one day the Truth Will be learnt. :)

Im sure Pam and everyone else will agree, Its good to have these chats/debates as we find them Interesting. Thanks For posting.


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Have a look at this book. I'm reading it at the moment and it's very interesting.

What Happens When We Die
http://www.amazon.co.uk/What-Happens-Wh ... 1401905560

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Thanks for that Toschecat much appreciated


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andrea once again i have another artical in a magazine for you to read about this subject. its not just believers that it happens to it can happen to everyone. not all medical professionals poo poo it and say it doesn't happen. i'm not saying that it does happen and i'm not saying it doesn't happen. i can't say as it has never happened to me but the artical does make an interesting read as it does show both arguments. :wink:


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Yes and ive said people who are losing people to illness their emotions become very high and open, So i could infact experience this is i was losing someone or feeling like this but i wouldnt be a gullible and think it was paranormal. I can type and type and type loads of stuff but you and others will always question it which is only right and vica versa. But end of the day its our own views but some go over board with thinking things are paranormal!


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no i agree with that. if i remember i'll bring the magazines or photocopies of the actual bit for you. i think it would make an interesting read for you


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books are a million miles away from the truth, or realitiy, nobody should have to read about the natural prosess of life and death, thats what everybody was born fordying?what happens when you do die well? do we really care on the day of our reckoning, theres nothing we are docs and nurses can do accept help, some people want to go, so people are scared,depends if your in pain or not, we can sometimes prolong it, but it will come eventually.


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we are born to die. these shells can't outlast our souls. the bodies are only a vessel to carry whats inside.

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sientists only delve when there is an intersting therory?


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or when they need some money lol

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as a STATE REGISTERED NURSE, i do deal with death every single day, in children and the aged, andits always exactley the same thing that they experiance, panic then peace, as the body and mind ajusts, so why always peace at the end, why not hysteria?its because of what they beleive in,thats what brings them peace.


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i have a theory about dying!it is said that once the body dies the spirit lives on !but what is the spirit!is it the mind!and if so ,how does the mind live without the body,is it connected with dreams,in our dreams we can go anywhere,we talk walk and find ourselfs in all differant places,so the body inwhich we find ourselfs in dreams cannot be our own!is it not a form of dream body,when we sleep the dream body seems realits only on waking that we no we have beenasleep,but in order to wake up we need the physically body,but if we dont wake up what then?do we continue to exist in a kind of dream which seems real,and so would the world seem real in dream state,we would live in a dream state,not a physical one,anymore than ourordinary dreams are physical? just a thought :lol:


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A DREAM WITHIN A DREAM

by Edgar Allan Poe1827

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Take this kiss upon the brow!
And, in parting from you now,
Thus much let me avow-
You are not wrong, who deem
That my days have been a dream;
Yet if hope has flown away
In a night, or in a day,
In a vision, or in none,
Is it therefore the less gone?
All that we see or seem
Is but a dream within a dream.


I stand amid the roar
Of a surf-tormented shore,
And I hold within my hand
Grains of the golden sand-
How few! yet how they creep
Through my fingers to the deep,
While I weep

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I like that poem................... :wink:


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i too have in my past jobs come across dying people, to begin with there is the panic but the last seconds is peace. i personally believe in the afterlife no matter what it is,
when you look around at different religions etc they nearly and i say nearly all mention something the same......along the same lines as christians would call heaven.... is that the spiritual world we are all working towards, or is it another world completly?
whilst doing a search about afterlife i found this and thought i would share it, i apologise about the length of it now but it does show nearly everythin and how far back the afterlife belief goes back :wink:

The afterlife in different metaphysical models
In metaphysical models, theists generally believe some sort of afterlife awaits people when they die. Atheists generally believe that there is not a life after death. However, other atheists like Buddhists, tend to believe in an afterlife like reincarnation but without reference to God. Agnostics generally hold the position that like the existence of God, the existence of supernatural phenomena, such as souls or life after death, is unverifiable and therefore unknowable. Some philosophies (i.e. posthumanism, Humanism, and often empiricism) generally hold that there is not an afterlife.

Afterlife in modern science
Modern science, in general, either describes the universe and human beings without reference to a soul or to an afterlife; or tends to remain mute on the issue. Scientific method offers few tools for investigating the concepts. One famous study, was conducted in 1901 by physician Duncan MacDougall, who sought to measure the weight purportedly lost by a human body when the soul departed the body upon death.[1] MacDougall weighed dying patients in an attempt to prove that the soul was material, tangible and thus measurable. These experiments are widely considered to have had little if any scientific merit, and although MacDougall's results varied considerably from "21 grams," for some people this figure has become synonymous with the measure of a soul's mass. The 2003 movie 21 Grams was based on MacDougall's findings.

Others, such as Francis Crick in 1994, have attempted a

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arrg my eyes my eyes .. :wink:

Interesting stuff there. :)

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lol cheers, it hurt my eyes to when i was reading it lol :wink: 8)

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Just like to thank everyone for going to the effort of answering my questions very much appreciated and its giving me the chance to get to know things and read the different views that people have on the forum
So thankyou to everyone


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thats not a problem thats what these are here for, i hope you are getting answers from both sides of the line....

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