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 Post subject: 2011 Model P-SB7 Spirit Box
PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 9:42 am 
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have just bought to evaluate this gizmo

first impression seems to work as advertised scans up and down with variable speed from 200 ms to 500 ms for the scan.

needed external powered speakers / line out to recorder / earphones as the internal speaker is shite.

has anyone used one, how and with what results.

currently building a Faraday cage cradle for it sit in to obviate the worst of the picked up broadcasts.

Not sure when it will be used in anger - so to speak - but will keep you posted of the results.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 2:42 pm 
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Well I've got a 'ghost box' which I think is essentially the same thing.
I can't say I've had any 'success' with it, although I've not used it much.
In my opinion it's a good tool for picking up 'spirits' such as Lady Gaga, One Direction and those obsessed with telling you the local weather report, but not really much cop at contacting the other world.

Some people claim to have had great results though, so you never know.

What they are good for is checking to see if there is any radio interference in a location... than and using them as a paper weight ;)

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 5:01 pm 
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Have you tried it with aerial down and inside a Faraday cage...???


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My cheap little model doesn't have an external aerial and alas I have no Faraday cCage.

If you did receive a broadcast from it whilst within a Faraday Cage what in your opinion would it indicate?

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the only thing it could indicate is that we a signal originating from inside the cage

Cant see what other conclusions anyone could draw :D

Well I can.......but those are silly people :mrgreen:

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Anth wrote:
the only thing it could indicate is that we a signal originating from inside the cage
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that's rather the point


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I was inferring that it does not mean that the origin is paranormal, or that its a ghost speaking to us or anything else spiritual.

its an oddity, if you were to get a signal inside a faraday cage. But an oddity does not make it paranormal.

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That's the problem with this kind of thing. Far too many people when presented with an anomalous piece of data immediately attribute it to the paranormal.

After saying that, this kind of experimentation is important. If it does produce a positive response and a signal is picked up, it begs the question how is is being picked up and where is it coming from? Hopefully further experimentation will shed light on it.

As long as the right questions are being asked and conclusions aren't being leapt to like a certain prolific 'researcher' did with his 'underwater EVP claptrap', then it's all good.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 11:23 am 
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and don't forget the ultimate paranormal equipment buffs must have

detect ghosts on your mobile phone app.

sometimes I feel so tired with the whole thing - especially when equipment is sold just for the benefit of the manufacturer who can make any spurious claims that they wish to.

and idiots who won't read a book and find out information, and aslways state "In my Opinion"..

to quote Douglas Adams "oh god I feel depressed"


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I was just watching 'Hitchhikers Guide' last night! Weird!

I agree about the latest paranormal equipment. It seems as if groups are clambering over each other to brag about the latest piece of kit they have.

There's no harm with trying new things I suppose, and it can be quite fun. It's just when groups start going into private residences, start putting up 'laser grids' and communicate with 'spirit' via a K2 meter while the scared homeowner looks on is where I have a problem.

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Theres a fes things I draw the line at. Table tipping is one.
Mobile phone apps is another.......who, with an ounce of sense would believe they work?

IR cameras, a hugely expensive piece of equipment that offers nothing in the way of evidence.
Laser grids look cool, but again what exactly are they supposed to show?

I dont mind trying new things, but I think we need to take a long hard look at what we use and exactly what it indicates. EMF meters detect EMF, they dont detect ghosts.
Laser thermometers detects surface temp on the surface its aimed at.

I also dont mind collecting data, but we need to find a way of putting that data into a useable form and make it searchable so when we find something odd we can cross reference.
Jay a nice database would be good for that (hint hint)

But as humans we have our senses, and in most cases I would rather investigate with my Mk1 eyeballs and mk1 ears than use most of the equipment that is termed "ghost hunting kit"

One thing I do fancy trying though....is a strobe light. Especially to help track those fleeting glimpses of moveemnt we often see. I know its almost certainly a deficience in the rods and cones in our eyes, but never the less. (we could also play some abhorent techno music to really wind the spirits up heh heh)

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Laser grids - yet another of these must have gadgets form the aspiring ghost hunter....oh dear.


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Anth wrote:
I also dont mind collecting data, but we need to find a way of putting that data into a useable form and make it searchable so when we find something odd we can cross reference.
Jay a nice database would be good for that (hint hint)


Don't go down that path .. it brings back painful memories. Myself and Claire began working on such a thing .. a huge database type of thing where people record data / experiences, pin point locations on a map and basically log everything even down to the "i've got a man with me who is wearing a red jumper" things .. This way it would be all cross referenceable (??) and so when somebody reported "a blue orb in the corner", it would pull in all other incidents of "blue orbs" in the database across all locations and report on where these "blue orbs" cropped up, what the circumstances were, who was getting them, the environmental data etc etc etc .... Its why some of the reports on the webby have blueprint maps of the locations .. they came about during the setup phase and we're going to be used for it .. the code was already there for people to click on the maps to log exactly where they were or where the "experience" was .. errm .. experienced.

Pretty nifty thing, it was ..

Unfortunately, was hugely complex too - I think all the database structures still exist on the website .. all ... about 80 database tables all linking to each other ... the problem, after that, is that it needed 80 data entry forms too .. plus all the code to do the magic.

And I thought "sack that" ... even after the 100s of hours setting it all up .. it would end up me entering all the data on my own because even when I ran a small "test" version and asked people to enter data to try and break it, only about 2 people bothered ... so it got pushed into the " .. maybe if I was paid a salary .." category .. :D

So .. Yeah, great idea Anth .. great minds, and all that ... but feck off .. :mrgreen:

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guess you'll just have to get the blog section sorted instead then ;)

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Blogs sorted 6 months back .. well for Angie .. as she was bugging me for it .. She has a log in problem though which not got to the bottom of yet.

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I'm sure other Mark could do with one too when you get to the bottom of Angies.

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If the database was setup correctly, a nice little vb front end could sort out a lot of the problems. Unfortuately coding is not something I am much cop at.

I do have access to DBA's through work though......I was thinking along smaller terms, like temp drops, anomolous pictures, EVP caught. And not soemthign that would be public facing. Just a way to record data and evidence. you can even enter the data in Excel and import it into MS Access.


Hmmmmmm should I set myself a challenge?

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If you're looking just to store the basic environment stuff, then it shouldn't be too tricky .. but what I found is that it snowballs .. yeah, got a record of temperatures, but they mean nothing by themselves ... so we went to then link them with whatever was reported during an investigation .. from sounds, smells, "feelings", sightings, what mediums were picking up etc etc .. basically, every thing that anybody ever reports on an investigation .. and then categorize them ... So, a form would have options for "orb" for instance .. then more options for the orb describing its size, shape, colour, motion etc etc .. and THAT info would then link into the locations, areas within a location, areas within the areas of a location and environmental data that would have been recorded by logging devices and readings took directly by investigators etc

Those were the days where my ambition outgrew the actual time I was devoting to NGI .. :) .. of course, got slated and slagged by "someone" when I decided to put it to one side but hey-ho! Nothing knew there. :P

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Actually, scrap the beginning of that .. storing the enviromental data is already plugged into the reporting system on the webby .. When Mark puts his readings sheets out on an invo and asks everyone to take the readings through the night, that data *should* be entered into the reports in the tables where the reports are created .. gets all stored in the databases and then draws snazzy graphs on the report when accessed ..

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Yep, that parts done ..

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doktor_phibes wrote:
I'm sure other Mark could do with one too when you get to the bottom of Angies.


That would be very agreeable. :wink:


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