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PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 11:00 pm 
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there are lots of orange lights in the chaple sorry guys :shock: :shock: :cry:


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have to knock the sreet lights off next time ,,,,,,,and stop the trains,,,, and shoot the drunks :lol: :lol:


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Bloody hell Pam .. whats up? You going all sceptical on us??? :shock:

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if ever ..... no my son took the pics as he was in becci and dereks group ,but just goes to show how people get hyped up even me when teally it is street lights ,,,, dissapointing but :cry:


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Well it goes to show how one picture tells an entirely different story from another just by changing the angle. It's great that you added these to help give perspective to a cloudy story and may prove my theory right :D

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 2:32 pm 
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Lee - as nothing can be completely ommited from then to conclude thats what it is is incorrect to me,as its only a guess based on what u and the others mentions,not actual 'fact'.

I'd say whats required is to go back in the same conditions at the same time etc and try and recreate this.......



Theres a few issues here.

One: We have to look at what is more plausible. If the street lights cast an orange glow into the building, if the flag stones have a worn shiney surface on them, then its immearuably more likely to be a reflection than somethign paranormal.

Two: Lee looked at all the surrounding evidence captured in the photgraph. Such as the camera blur, the fact that the glow is clipped by other objects.

I've looked at the enhanced version on the website, and I can tell from the graininess that the ISO compensation is high. This in itself loses resolution and can lead to blurred images. This is a pain in the arse for me on my camera as I can set the ISO to pretty much what i want. I have to be sure if my camera picked anything up that it was not something to do with the settings I was using......My DSLR is yet to pick up any anomlies from any investigation!

So what we have is an anomalie on a picture, that is considered by many to be a reflection of kind from the outside street lights.

I also dont see how you can reproduce the exact same temperature, humidity, camera shake, camera make, model and AGE, also the condition in which the camera was kept in, and blemishes on the lens and the temperature of the camera housing. Many of these are unknown, if you dont know the original data, you cannot re-create it later on.

It comes back to the fact that cameras are used to gather evidence, but they are not used scientifically, as in theres nothing goiverning the use of the camera that would permit us to replicate anything on a further visit.

I agree that on face value its a good picture, I also like the fact that other orange glows have been captured. But knowing the location of the building and the fact there are Orange coloured street lights outside I have to side with the reflection explanation. However, its somehting that is worth keeping in mind in future. Perhaps we should be taking a set of pictures during a walkthrough so we know where windows are located and we know the extent of the reflections and light glow from outside.

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Top points Anth - getya!!!!!!!!!!

You can see why I stay away from the camera said of things cant ya hehehehhe!!!!

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Top points Anth - getya!!!!!!!!!!

You can see why I stay away from the camera said of things cant ya hehehehhe!!!!

Yeah I can, and can you imagine my frustration that from roughly 400 pictures, I have found only two with an "anomolie" and that turned out to be a reflection from the lights.

Cameras are good for capturing evidence. But we need to get as much information as possible so we can replicate it again in the future.
I knowingly went overboard on the issues surrounding the replication, but they could all be factors.

As stand alone evidence this picture is very valid. But it has to be one that is not presented as proof of paranormal. I guess its a jury is still out situation.

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yeah,I can imagine your frustration Anth actually....thats part of the reason I cound not get into the taking the pics thing!!
I think my talents are put to better use in other areas (if I did capture a full body apparition I'd probably only get a bit of its foot anyway!)!

But I take my hat off to those who do take the pics and vids and sound recordings then sit through hours of 'nothing' for the rest of the week looking for stuff!!!!!!!!!!

regarding the pics I tend to follow the judgement of people who I know are very well informed and practised in this area.....
cos I myself have no idea!!!!

yeah...it seems a verdict of 'open jury'.....

but this is good,cos more often than not there is a logical explanation so this is very interesting I think!

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yeah,I can imagine your frustration Anth actually....thats part of the reason I cound not get into the taking the pics thing!!
I think my talents are put to better use in other areas (if I did capture a full body apparition I'd probably only get a bit of its foot anyway!)!

But I take my hat off to those who do take the pics and vids and sound recordings then sit through hours of 'nothing' for the rest of the week looking for stuff!!!!!!!!!!

regarding the pics I tend to follow the judgement of people who I know are very well informed and practised in this area.....
cos I myself have no idea!!!!

yeah...it seems a verdict of 'open jury'.....

but this is good,cos more often than not there is a logical explanation so this is very interesting I think!



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You are agreeing with me again Missy!

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I'm agreeing sort of with what your saying....

thats not the same as agreeing with you properly so calm down...........

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The group reports are now up for this (lacking Doks / Carols for now - but given he has to work .. I can forgive!!)

http://www.northern-ghost-investigation ... tory&id=26

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nice one !
I've had a quick look but need to adjust the screen settings on this pc to be avble to read all of it tho so I'll get onto that hehehe!!!
Very intersting stuff cropping up tho it seems,some interesting 'links' there from what I can tell!
(think some of my spelling needs checking though...I need to sort the spell check on this pc hehehhe!)

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Where is the Fleece report,I cant find that one,only the first time we were there?

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were is bowes the second one this year with val as acting medium :?:


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god...thats going back innit hehehe!!!
reminds me of cold.........and more cold........hehehe!!!

Was that one of the ones where only a few people submitted reports so the team reports couldnt be done properly?
Or was that some of the stuff that got lost when the site went down?
or is there just a link thats not working on there???

I'm after the Fleece one cos I only know what my grop got so I'm interested to see what everyone else got hehehe cos we had a top night there!!!
Can you get that one on your pc pam?

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yep claire the one with you and me jay doing two circles ...... maybe did get lost ,,, i'll have a look :lol:


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ah yeah,I remember that Pam!!!
That was interesting for many reasons hehehehehehehe!!!!

Was Val the acting medium there?I thought it was both you and her!
If I remember rightly she wasnt too happy at having to do this on the night as she thought she was just coming as a team guest/helper etc but got 'pushed' into it a bit by a few people.

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yes val was the medium that night :roll:


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That reply says it all Pam :wink:

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