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I've moved this thread here from General as its probably more suited here .. For anyone who wants to know what this is about .. you can read the fore-runner to it on the 2nd page of this thread

And I'll get to it later on .. :D

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just dont say its the banks...the government....the army....!hehehehehehe!!!!
Whose pulling the strings behind it all,thats what I want to know!

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Patience, Grasshopper .. :wink:

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Patience is a c**p song by Guns and Roses...

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Jeeez .. like a dog with a bone - you just won't let go!! Suppose I'd best get to it otherwise I won't get a moments peace!! Just got to remind myself what the questions were about .. :wink:

Right then - think I've organised my thoughts .. who and what ..

There are various layers to it .. like an onion .. you peel one away and then you find another .. Think of it like a pyramid .. at the base of the pyramid you have a large body of people .. faceless and nameless masses who are just 'doing their job' purely to get their weekly pay to feed and clothe themselves.

You might think of it as the clerks who sit behind the counters in your local bank. He or she is just taking your deposits and giving out your withdrawals. However, he or she isn't privy to whats going on in the managers office next door. The manager, who knows how all the bits in his / her bank fits together - doesn't know whats happening at a regional level .. but of course, the regional manager knows how all the banks in that region fit. Sadly, tho - this regional manager doesn't know whats happening at a national level in regards to all the regions .. in our case, the Bank of England .. likewise into Europe etc etc etc on to the Global level and the World Banking System .. at the very top of this pyramid sit just a few people who together pull the strings of the entire banking system and their decisions filter down through the pyramid right down to your local high street bank.

Ok, I've just described the structure of the banking system - but all other bits of infrastructure are built the same way .. as a pyramid .. a few at the top, making decisions which filter all the way down to the plebs on the lower level who implement those decisions purely by .. ' .. just doing my job .. ' .. Incidentally, the guys and gals at the top of one pyramid - just happen to be the same guys and gals ontop of the other pyramid - funny how that works, huh?

The guys and gals on the bottom rung don't know why these things are the case just like me and you.

Its compartmentalisation. The left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing and as such a whole load of little things happen apparently independent to each other, yet as you go further up the pyramid, these little things begin to join into bigger things and then when you get right to the top, you see the big picture.

Your question then, is who and what sits at the top of the pyramid.

On a basic level, its said that 13 families sit at the top of all these pyramids .. family bloodlines such as the Astor family, the DuPont family, Onassis, Rockefeller and Rothschild amongst others. Other lesser family lines link into these such as the Merovingian (altho these could be higher than given credit for), the Krupps and the Disney lines.

The 13 are collectively known as the Illuminati bloodlines - altho the Illuminati contains more than this - its said these 13 bloodlines form the bedrock.

So your next question is I suppose : what is the Illuminati?

Secret Societies have existed for 1000s of years and to begin with most were fairly benign - some weren't - but mostly they were ok.

In the 12th century, a religious order was formed known as the Knights Templar by a guy called Hugh de Payens. Initially, their role was to escort pilgrims to the Holy Land but they soon added a couple of little strings to their bows. One of these strings was helping people transfer gold to the Holy Lands. The roads leading out there were obviously dangerous and so people asked the Templar to help them out. The Templar's were also aware of the dangers - certainly carrying lots of gold - and so they devised a plan. People would give the Templars the money they wanted transporting and in return, they would receive a document which, upon arrival in the Holy Land the pilgrim would find a local Templar representative, hand over the document and would receive his gold - minus a fee for the service. This was the beginning of the banking system we know today (document = first example of paper money).

One of the rumours surrounding the Templars was that while excavating under Temple Mount they discovered many relics and secrets that had been hidden away in antiquity. Whether this is true or not, I don't know - but what did happen was that after this supposedly happened, the power and wealth of the Templars exploded. The became a fabulously rich organisation and owned great swathes of land across Europe.

Eventually, the Church got a bit pissed and envious of the Templars wealth - oh, and figured they were now concentrating more on wealth generation and not the work of God ( :roll: ). So Pope Clement V - no doubt following the word of God - decided to move against the Templars and pinch all of their gold and take their lands. He conspired with Kings throughout Europe, specifically King Phillip IV of France who was heavily in debt to the Templars and on Friday 13th October, 1307 the King ordered the arrest of the Templar Grand Master at the time, Jacques Du Molay and many other leading French Templars.

Pope Clement then ordered all Christian Monarchs to arrest all Templars within their Kingdoms and to seize their assets and charge them with Heresy. The disbandment of the Order soon followed when the Pope officially dissolved the Templars in 1314. Du Molay and other prominent Templars were burnt at the stake.

Not all Templars got caught though and many escaped and fled to Scotland. Knowing they couldn't exist openly as Templars tho, they went underground and remerged a few years later after attaching themselves to a respected society that had existed for 1500 years previousy .. and so emerged the Scottish Rite of Freemasonary - which, not surprisingly given their background, is the most powerful branch of Freemasonary in the world today.

The SRF soon got back to their old tricks of wealth generation but were constantly in fear of their roots being discovered. To combat this, they added another weapon to their arsenal - that of infiltration. Their web of influence quickly spread out and soon they held high positions within the English and French monarchies amongst others and other existing Secret Societies, often using murder, bribery and blackmail. And often using the secrets learned by their previous incarnation as the Templars.

It was in 1776 that a Bavarian man called Adam Weishaupt, who was heavily linked into the Secret Society network the Templars had infiltrated - formed an order that was called the "Order of Perfectibilists" - which later became known as the Illumanti. He adopted the name of "Brother Spartacus" within the order. Though the Order was not egalitarian or democratic, its mission was to establish a New World Order, which meant the abolition of all monarchical governments and religions (the perfect revenge for the Templars given what had happened to them).

Given the secrets allegedly discovered by the original Templars under Temple Mount, this information was still held by a few. Indeed, by this time the SRF had already become a Magickal Order and to some of those in know - who were very much Christian in their beliefs - had become Satanic in nature.

Ok, don't get me wrong - I'm not saying that all Freemasons are Satanists or the like. Sadly, some 95% of Freemasons don't know what goes on in the higher echeolons of Freemasonary (more compartmentalisation). That 95% of Freemasons don't even know that levels of Freemasonary exist beyond the first 3 degrees of initiation (known as the Blue Degrees) let alone manage to attain those degrees. To them - its a case of scratching each others backs, going to a few charity gigs, given a few funny handshakes and doing the odd silly ritual or ceremony.

Weishaupt, with his Illumanti, not only took on board this esoteric knowledge but also developed his own and in doing so projected the power that his Illumanti held.

However, almost as soon as it began, history records that it ended. Weishaupt's radical rationalism, sweeping away nations and religions, private property and marriage, with the vocabulary used by the French Revolution, was not likely to succeed. Writings that were intercepted in 1784 were interpreted as seditious, and the Society was banned by the government of Karl Theodor, Elector of Bavaria in 1784. Weishaupt lost his position at the University of Ingolstadt and fled Bavaria.

But like most of these things - the Illumanti went underground were it became even more powerful and it began again, this time from the shadows, to implement what Weishaupt had intended. The implementation of a New World Order that would consist of a World Government, World Banking System, World Army and a One World Religion. Take a look around today - they are doing a pretty good job of it.

The power of the Illumanti grew and grew and indeed, eventually superseded the SRF. I mentioned the 3 degrees of inititiation above which to 95% of Freemasons is all that exists.

Its is said that Freemasonary today consists of at least 33 degrees of Freemasonary (some evidence exists that in fact there are 96). Upon reaching the 33rd degree the mason is then said to have reached a level where they have proved worthy of being "illumanated" into the knowledge first discovered by the Templars in the 12th century. As much as they have learnt through the previous 30 degrees - the secrets they learn from the 33rd degree onward shadows it all completely. Being "illuminated" into this knowledge also bestows upon the mason the privalage of becoming one of the Illumanti - the real movers and shakers in the world today and the Umbrella under which all secret societies fall and where the real power in the world lies. The very top of the pyramid - which incidentally is one of the symbols of the Illumanti (with the capstone - the very top - seperate from the rest of the structure below because they are "illuminated" compared to the masses). An image you can find, of course, on the US dollar bill (see image below) whereas on the other side; George Washington - a 33rd degree Freemason and 1st President of the USA.

So - there you have it .. whats going on in the world today and who are really running the show. Incidentally, Prime-ministers, Presidents etc are only at a level about 7/10ths of the way up towards the top of the pyramid. They are merely administrators implementing the agenda of a New World Order for the puppet masters up above them.

Doesn't matter who you vote for - the same people always keep their fingers on the buttons of power. You can find numerous speeches they've given over the years were they call for the formation of a "New World Order" .. George Bush Senior made an infamous speech before congress on Sept 11th 1990 and our esteemed un-elected Prime Minister Gordon 'dour' Brown called for it not too long ago.

But .. it is said that the 3d version of reality above is merely just another level of the onion .. there is more beyond but once more, thats a story for another day ..... :wink:


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thanks for that Jay!A lot of it I'd heard before and worked out from common sense,but its all very interesting...plenty of facts and figures for me to look over...

This illuminati...well to me they gotta be pretty low down in the top lot cos its common knowledge,so why is that?To me if they are being made public knowledge then its to use em to cover up more stuff,like the governments are the lowest of the top I would say (is that right?((if theres such a thing as right hehehe))....
And this new world order...not a new concept to me but why are they trying to do the uniting the 'planet' stuff (ignoring all the middle east spin and 'control' aspect of it,I get that purpose for the everyday westernerslike me and you),so what are they wanting a united world to be made public for...selling the idea to the masses?
Why does that concept being made beneficial to the normalfolk suit for now?
Who is really pulling the strings...and whats thier intention?
(got my own ideas but am really interested to hear yours and others!)

And the 3-D level of reality bit being just another level of the onion makes absolute perfect sense...so do tell more...soon it will be another day!!!!(6hrs!)

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The Illuminati is actually up at the top - in this 3d world we live in that is. You got to remember, in this modern age very little can remain secret anymore. There are many brave men and women who put their lives at risk digging for information and even many whistle-blowers.

So now the Illuminati have switched tactics .. they still wish to maintain their secrecy but do so now under the guise of the "boogey-man" .. No truth can remain hidden - they know that and you and I know that. So now the truth is wrapped up in dis-information and fantasy and its a matter of sorting the wheat from the chaff. And a lot of it is hidden in plain sight and they do this because they know the vast majority of people don't connect the dots and use misdirection and spin to keep hidden away.

One thing you have to bear in mind - there is no real central "Illuminati" .. there isn't an Illuminati Newsletter and Xmas Party. Its made up of individuals in different organisations that were created by the Illuminati by a very few at the top. Groups such as the Freemasons, The Bilderbergers, the Tri-Lateral Commission, the Office of Foreign Relations. Some (like the latter 2) perfectly rationale organisations that have a real public, everyday role in society. Hidden in plain sight and which are admitted to exist.

Ok .. that's the 3d .. what follows is still open to speculation and much of it is my own personal opinion.

Who controls the controllers? Time to get a bit loopy ..

There is mountains of anecdotal evidence to suggest that the real history of humankind has been littered with influences that are extra-terrestrial in nature and which suggests an ancient advanced civilisation existed on Earth which was then destroyed in a great cataclysm. The most famous name being Atlantis.

The Ancient Astronaut theory has developed after researchers studied ancient texts from all around the world which all claim " ..beings came from the heavens" and became the Gods to mankind. From the Sumerian Tablets, the Indian Vedic, Celtic Lore, The Bible, from Africa and South America .. Places which weren't connected - so history tells us - until circa 500 years ago, each have stories dating back 1000s of years all telling the same basic thing ..

.. Beings came from the heavens, became Gods, bred with mankind, a Great War broke out and a massive flood washed over the Earth destroying the civilisations and the surviviors trying to eek out an existence and to rebuild the population. Some of the descriptions - certainly of the wars - are very reminiscent of what we would describe to today as a war ....

"Gurkha, flying a swift and powerful vimana
hurled a single projectile charged with the power
of the Universe. An incandescent column of
smoke and flame, as bright as ten thousand suns, rose with
all its splendor.

It was an unknown weapon, an iron thunderbolt, a gigantic
messenger of death, which reduced to ashes the entire race
of the Vrishnis and the Andhakas.

The corpses were so burned as to be unrecognizable.
Hair and nails fell out; Pottery broke without apparent cause,
and the birds turned white.

...After a few hours all foodstuffs were infected...
...to escape from this fire the soldiers threw
themselves in streams to wash themselves and their
equipment."


The above was taken from the MAHABHARATA, one of the Indian Vedics. Now, reading it with an open mind - how does it read. A Nuclear War? Yet, this story was written at least 4000 years ago telling the story of a war that had took place 1000s of years previously.

After the US exploded the first Atomic Bomb during the Manahatten Project, Robert Oppenheimer was asked : "How do you feel after having exploded the first atomic bomb on Earth?" .. to which he cryptically answered : "

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top post Jay!

I still dont go with the Illuminati thing being top tho....it just dont make sense...they having thier strings pulled the same as the rest...they just higher up the food chain so to speak!And I get what u mean bout em...just easier to lump it all together with one word than saying several,when one word gets my point across!You get what I mean...
Mad stuff about the atomic evidence from the past...I'd not heard that!Not that they thought it was atomic 'weapons'...although I have heard about the atomic stuff they presumed was caused by asteroids etc...
Dunno about the ancient civilisation destroying itself in a great war...although obviously possible!That seems a bit too handy...but then again that could be part of the 'spin'....
The ET stuff...yeah,why not?!Makes sense...theres certainly evidence for it...
but of all the stuff I've read I quite like the Annuaki (probably spelt wrong) and planet X stuff...I know this has apparently been discredited...but it still seems to have something about it that makes sense...if the planet X stuff is true then its not gonna be long before we find out hehehehe!
Bu then when you start talking ET are you sure its ET...not actually natural inhabitants of earth,either from the past of the future...or even 'now' (just not 'our' now).All stuff like that could perhaps loosely be described as time travel, space travel is worked out at some levels in terms of 'time'...and when you start getting all quantum and passed quantum stuff (the mad head spin stuff)then it makes more sense for there to be other stuff than it does for there not to be!

History though I am skeptical of,the same as science...not saying its all lies or not useful...but its just too easy to manipulate!

Subterrainean...interesting...tell me more.....!!!!!!

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What I wrote above is one theory that has much anecdotal evidence to support it. But the Illuminati IS the top - of what we as mere mortals could comprehend with every day thinking. It doesn't take too much stretching of the imagination to accept that some secret (Earthly) organisation has centralised power in this way and is running things from the shadows no matter how improbable it may sound.

When you start to push into ET influence on the Illuminati - that's when people struggle and need to see beyond what we could coloqually call the "3D" .. ie. the every day world that people know.

There are many sub-branching theories that come off this .. One of the theories suggests (and I'll move into Planet X scenario here) that in the days gone by, 2 other planets existed in our Solar System - One was known by the name Tiamat. Now - 2 versions exist as to the fate of Tiamat.

One says that Tiamat was used as a hidden base by some renegade Aliens who were being chased by the 'good guys' and was then abandoned just as the 'good guys' came to our system. The GGs thinking the baddies were on Tiamat (who had actually fled to Earth) destroyed Tiamat. Now - Tiamat was rumoured to be a water world in nature and its destruction caused blocks of ice to form .. some of which remained as what we know as the Asteroid Belt today while others flew through the system and caused the Great Flood wrote about in History ... To hear the full story of this version (plus much more of how the bad guys influenced Earth - chase up info written by Michael Tsarion - many of his presentations on YouTube too).

One of the other suggestions involved the mysterious Planet X - or more accurately, Niburu as called by the Sumerians (and from where the Annunaki came from). On one of its 3600 year orbits around our Sun, one of its moons smashed into Tiamat, splitting Tiamat in two .. One half was pushed out of orbit and eventually, through natural process, became Earth with the moon of Niburu becoming our Moon (hence the stories of all the structures on our Moon as it was habited) while the other half of Tiamat again becoming the Asteroid Belt.

Both of these versions bring ET to our world (or in one case, WE are ET).

One thing that I've found over the years - which could explain the quickening of how things are happening of late - is the countdown to 2012.

It seems that everything that you look into deep enough - ends up pointing to 2012.

Whats this about? Well, the Mayans (this is brief)- who were excellent astronomers - created a calendar that has proven to be accurate time and time and time again.

One of the strange things tho - is that the Mayan Calendar ends on the Winter Solstice (Dec 21st) 2012 with the suggestion (incorrectly) surmised that the world will end. What it does actually relate to is the end of a great cycle and many people look at it being the start of a new conscious and spiritual awareness with mankind. Altho, it is suggested, that this will come with a great price.

Lots of things are due. A long overdue Pole Shift, the end of the Galactic Year (one orbit of our Solar System around the Galactic Core) resulting in Earth lining up directly with the Sun and the Galactic Center .. oh .. and of course, the return of Niburu. ALL said to be due at around 11:11am December 21st, 2012 (exact time for this Winter Solstice as calculated by the US Naval Observatory).

The 11:11 is significant. Many Many Many people are reporting the 11:11 phenomenon. They see the numbers over and over again. Ok, could just be a psychological trick, but too many people are noticing it who were unaware of the significance. I hit it a lot - in fact, am just going through a period now of always unconsciously looking at the clock when its 11:11am or 11:11 pm .. and also seeing the 11s ALL over the place. Co-incidence? Maybe .. The Higher-Self trying to get me to notice? Again, Maybe (there has just been a film made too concerning it which just shows how wide-spread the phenomenon is).

But as I said - lots - if not all - of these theories are pointing to 2012 and doing so independently of each other. Maybe just another co-incidence, but 2012 is the year London gets the Olympics .. London - the center of the web of Illuminati Operations.

Governments aren't helping themselves in truth. A Norwegian politician has just written an open letter warning people to be prepared for 2012. He's said that, in Norway, plans have been made to try and 'save' some 2 million people (the movers and shakers who could help rebuild society) by digging out hundreds of underground bases. A Doomsday Vault is due to be finished by Norway which will contain all known plant seeds in existence .. Both projects will be finished before 2012 and this Norwegian is speaking out in frustration and anger because of what he's been told due to his position within the Norwegian Government, is not being told to the general public. Ok - could be hoax as he's sent it anonymously ....

The current Oil Wars in the Middle-East are designed to capture the resources of the area so they are controlled by the West .. Why now? Why one after the other? .. bish bosh bang. Other countries around the world are making extreme claims on other areas of the world where resources are believed to exist - Denmark not long ago made a convoluted claim to the the Arctic!!

Everything you research points to a climax in 2012. And the Mayans stopped their calendar then too .. Why?

Who knows .. ?

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I'm just looking at the Project Camelot website which contains many people exposing their tales and involvement in the cover-up of the UFOs. There are many good interviews on the site and many that push into some of the areas above ..

I'd particuraly recommend the video interviews with Richard Hoagland and Bob Dean .. as I said, both focus primarily on UFOs and ancient civilasations .. but both also end up talking about 2012 too ..

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Jay - obviously theres a secret group of people who've got stuff goin on and are running the show from behind the scenes (iluminati ec)...but to me they are just like a subdivision in a company...say '3-D earth department'..they are not the people pulling the main strings to me...altho they top management at a basic level!

The 1212 thing...yep,I've thought that about the London Olympics soon as I heard it...but dont you think we're all of a sudden being 'programmed' to this way of thinking...
All of a sudden all this archeological evidence is coming up,resurfacing,being 'found',being reinterpreted...I find that interesting...link it in with the global warming...middle east...
To go into the realms of total paranoia now (hehehe),who says these things are the exact texts,calenders etc they have always been,if they are real at all (but not saying there not!)...who's alive from years ago to say they've not been tampered with/changed etc...all they have is the written and verbal passed down testimonies...and then you have 'science' coming along and 'proving' it with tests no man on the street has the faintest idea about...but cos its 'science' they just swallow it up!
Is it not a possibility that they are tampered with,perhaps 'invented' by the 'powers that be' to bring even more attention to the 1212,and other stuff?If they have this big manipulation thing going on (which I know they do!),then isnt it strange that theres such a big thing of it now...tell the people what will happen and therefore it will....
who knows!
I've read a lot of the Tsarion stuff lately,and its certainly interesting...but I still think its missing stuff!
The ET stuff...who has ever been to outer space who you know...or who I know!And why does this part of us have to be so 'removed' from us (EXTRA terestrial)...only to be shoved down our throats now!
All the big disaster films (day after tomorrow,Armageddon,Deep Impact) more programming...
Your Norweigen 'hoax'...
The Sci fi stuff (Xfiles,Buffy,All the star trek related stuff),all more programming
All the 'leaked' military reports on ufo's...more programming
to get ET into the living rooms of ordinary people!Cute and cuddly ET for kids...bless 'the youth of today are the future' hehehe!
Why?And why now?
Obviously the stage is being set...
But for what?
Seeing 11/11 all over the place - interesting!What part of the 'program' is that?
These forces of good,who are they???And who says who's really 'good' and who's really 'bad' hehehe,is that not just a matter of perspective anyway!!!
ET,s,humans,dogs,horses,plants,trees etc...all the same basic things to me anyway (as I basically understand em!),just different 'species'!
(Animal testing / alien abduction???Whos the scalpel 'man'?)We all have a connection...but like the ET thing its been 'programmed' out of us...
Dont take a genius to work out why...

Off to read that link you sent...the Camelot thing....
Only trouble I have with all this ET stuff is...(as I suspect its meant to,like most things have been manipulated into us so that we think its normal to behave in certain ways)is that you can get so bogged down in the fine print that you lose sight of the bigger picture!!!
Which is.....who's pulling the strings?
These new 'ET gods'...a mix of the old and the new for the new generation of 'conspiracy children' to be brainwashed with...
basically to get them talking bout stuff so much that they never get to do anything with any decent information they stumble upon...
I'm sure words were only invented to stop things getting done hehehehe!!!
So who's the string pullers.....and who is the new 'Messiah' (we've established on other posts its not Keegen hehehe)
This 'army of light',children of the light or whatever they are called...

Same old story same old song.......

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Of course .. everything I said above, is true .. yet everything is also BS .. What is the truth other than which you experience yourself? .. Until it all happens or doesn't happen, we'll never know .. so in the meantime you just have to look at all possibilities and in someways be prepared for everything and prepared for nothing.

Its interesting you brought up 'programming'. Yes, we're all being programmed to one degree or another .. whether its malignent 'programming' or benign 'social engineering' .. the result is the same .. Of course, its all accusation and counter-accusation, but there is one scenario that exists named Project Bluebeam which is apparently in the works to stage a fake Alien Invasion which will be used as the pre-text to bring the world together under the New World Order - all the programming you spoke about could be designed to prepare us for that.

Truthfully, its all Ifs and Buts. Some of what I've mentioned above has hard solid evidence to support it .. some is anecdotal .. some, pure fantasy ..

.. But one things for certain .. we all have to be aware of these things to either be prepared or to see through the scams ..

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Exactly Jay!Thats why I find it so interesting!
I dont like to get bogged down in too much of it, I prefer to watch how it 'flows' and see the 'pattern' of it, rather than too much of the actual 'details', cos to me the clues in that rather than anything else!

That project bluebeam sounds interesting,not heard of that!
The stuff I was saying about the programming/alien stuff etc was just my thoughts on it,how it seems to me,I've not especially read anything that specific,just seems to make sense to me!

But...'knowing' this, or being aware all is not what it seems etc...well what next?Where do you go once you realise this?What is the purpose of 'being aware', unless your gonna go out there and do something about stuff?

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One of the first purposes of being aware is being prepared. If .. IF .. the shit hits the fan, the people who will suffer most are the Flat-Worlders .. those who poo-poo everything and are so deeply attached to the 3D - when the 3D rug gets ripped from under their feet and they lose that support - it'll be game over for them.

The 2nd aspect of being aware is purely unconscious. The more and more who wake up the faster and faster and more strong the change will be. Ok, the 3D stuff up in the first big post up top is just one layer as I said and its important to know this. But other stuff - a species awakening if you like - is happenning en masse and will continue to happen. Everyday more and more people are 'tuning' in. It doesn't matter to what level or to what degree they go - every little bit adds to the momentum.

Finally, for those "spiritual warriors" who actively do something and fight the good fight so to speak .. those are the ones who will lead the fight for freedom of the human race. There is apparently help from other entities in one form or another - either directly or indirectly.

Now - this is where I begin to pull back a little as it gets all New Agey and there is a lot of dis-info in the New Age movement as it was hijacked at the time of the Hippy movement during the 60's (which pre-ceded the New Age stuff). Too many big fluffy bunnies, Star Commanders and big spliffs for my liking. However, the basic principle is solid.

As I mentioned above, there seems to be - nigh on in every topic - something coming in 2012. Everything seems to point to this.

The Powers That Be seem to know this too and are doing what they can to ensure their own survival and to put into place now the chains that they will use to try and bind people. But, there is a part of me that thinks they know its a hopeless cause - they can't stop evolution but perhaps slow it.

As I said, there are aspects that I'm not comfortable with - too much 'Peace and Love' for my liking and as 'nice' as that is - I tend to think its a bit of misdirection. Well, maybe thats not the right word, but something doesn't feel right with it.

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Well if a Brown dwarf :-A dead star 6-8 times the mass of earth is on it's way throught the solar system the next few years are certainly gonna be interesting what a time to be alive ,not really worth saving for old age then. :P

Apparently this should be visible by 2009 with the naked eye in the southern sky.

Seems plausible enough to me and only time will tell,this planet is more than due for a shakedown anyway. :twisted: :wink:

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Yeah, in regards to Planet X / Niburu / Brown Dwarf Star - a lot of my sources are pointing towards it being visible in 2009 too as it comes sweeping in. Its already been claimed that every day people in the real southern regions of the planet have at times already captured it on camera and such when conditions are perfect. Also, a massive observatory was set up on Antartica a few years back apparently to precisely track its movement .. but yep, 2009 - we'll begin to get an idea as to whether there is anything in this or not.

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Orbione kenobie wrote:
Well if a Brown dwarf :-A dead star 6-8 times the mass of earth is on it's way throught the solar system the next few years are certainly gonna be interesting what a time to be alive ,not really worth saving for old age then. :P

Apparently this should be visible by 2009 with the naked eye in the southern sky.

Seems plausible enough to me and only time will tell,this planet is more than due for a shakedown anyway. :twisted: :wink:

Actually,there is a brown dwarf already here on planet earth................
......its called..........Noel edmonds!!!!


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Orbione kenobie wrote:
Well if a Brown dwarf :-A dead star 6-8 times the mass of earth is on it's way throught the solar system the next few years are certainly gonna be interesting what a time to be alive ,not really worth saving for old age then. :P

Apparently this should be visible by 2009 with the naked eye in the southern sky.

Seems plausible enough to me and only time will tell,this planet is more than due for a shakedown anyway. :twisted: :wink:



But if its on its way through our solar system.......why is this "star" doing things that others dont?

I mean Stars are not known for ther movement through a solar system although i know they are not static within the galaxy.

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There are many theories as to why Anth - rogue stars can be catapulted out of their normal orbit around the galactic center by a supernova explosion nearby for instance.

In this instance tho - the theory is that our solar system is an actual binary star system and not the obvious single star system we assume because we only see one sun when we look up. The secondary star - the brown dwarf - is on a wide elongated orbit around the sun where the majority of its time is spent either behind the sun or so close (from the perspective of Earth) to it its tough to see with the naked eye. Yet every 3600 years or so it swings around the sun and crosses the solar plane close to where we are on Earth.

Ok, there are a few issues with this theory .. it assumes that for nigh on all the orbital period of the second sun .. both earth and it are in perfect synchronous orbit with each other with the primary star always blocking our view of it. Ok, not impossible - but highly "convenient" ..

Personally, if there is anything in the theory - I prefer the Planet X scenario because its entirely possible a rogue planet could exist in a wide orbit and it wouldn't easily show up unless you knew exactly where you were looking ..

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There are many theories as to why Anth - rogue stars can be catapulted out of their normal orbit around the galactic center by a supernova explosion nearby for instance.

In this instance tho - the theory is that our solar system is an actual binary star system and not the obvious single star system we assume because we only see one sun when we look up. The secondary star - the brown dwarf - is on a wide elongated orbit around the sun where the majority of its time is spent either behind the sun or so close (from the perspective of Earth) to it its tough to see with the naked eye. Yet every 3600 years or so it swings around the sun and crosses the solar plane close to where we are on Earth.

Ok, there are a few issues with this theory .. it assumes that for nigh on all the orbital period of the second sun .. both earth and it are in perfect synchronous orbit with each other with the primary star always blocking our view of it. Ok, not impossible - but highly "convenient" ..

Personally, if there is anything in the theory - I prefer the Planet X scenario because its entirely possible a rogue planet could exist in a wide orbit and it wouldn't easily show up unless you knew exactly where you were looking ..



Well so far I have discovered the videos of it are regarded as hoaxes. The january 2008 video is an impossibility the alleged telescope was offline since October 2007 for an upgrade coming back online late Feb 2008.

Also the people who tend to believe in this are all religious nutters many of whom believe an alien "defender2 race live under the surface of the moon and will repel the attack launched from the Planet X or
celestia :roll:


3600 years recurring on earth is odd also, theres so many chages happening on our planet that I find it quite difficult to beleive. Yes the Ice cores seem to be saying somehting happened with regularity in the past and that volcanic eruptions were prevalent however theres more plausible theories around that could explain this and its all related to the earths own geological make up.

The pyramids are over 4000 years old as is stone henge they dont appear to bear any evidence of cataclysmic events wiping out civilisations.

Again i'd say from looking at posts on some of the forums about this theory that care in the community certainly has a lot to answer for and some people should be locked up in padded cells fro the rest of their lives.

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Hah .. yeah, it does seem a bit strange .. there is a lot of crap out there - the religious stuff I've seen myself ... In a lot of areas of interest - a lot of them (if not all!), all seem to be focussing on 2012 .. with the Planet X tales cropping up in a few .. another one that seems to be gaining interest is an alignment we're due with the galactic plane ..

Personally, I think 2012 will just come to pass - I don't think anything natural is going to occur which is going to bring about big changes - I might be wrong - but I don't think anything completely natural will happen.

I've deliberately highlighted natural there. I do believe in self-fulfilling phropecies and it wouldn't surprise me if people at high levels will look at the theories concerning 2012 and stage something to try and tap into this consciousness in regards the various theories.

As for the pyramids - well, there is a lot of information suggesting high degrees of water erosion on them caused, possibly, by flooding. Graham Hancock - who seems to have his head screwed on compared to some doing this research - goes a bit into this (and actually sets out to prove the pyramids are a lot older than what official history tells us).

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