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PostPosted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 3:48 pm 
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To be honest we buy our own stuff. Ask Anth lol He spent money buying Filters for his Camera. People will do what they want. when we have Ghostwatches we look at how much a place is e.g Say £300 and split that down between guests and members. I have spent money buying my own equipment..which is why we charge less than other teams for Ghost Watches.

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No team is a "non-profit organisation" in the strictest sense .. of course teams make a profit - they just chose to buy equipment with it or pay for their own team-onlys .. Paying themselves a wage is another thing entirely .. but in truth, I don't see how anyone can unless they are doing a couple of guest nights a week ..

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No team is a "non-profit organisation" in the strictest sense .. of course teams make a profit - they just chose to buy equipment with it or pay for their own team-onlys .. Paying themselves a wage is another thing entirely .. but in truth, I don't see how anyone can unless they are doing a couple of guest nights a week ..


lol thats what we are talking about

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The thing with people buying equipment with their own money is that in the end it still belongs to them and not the team. I myself have spent over £300 on equipment over the last couple of months, but if I'm not on a NGI invest, then neither is my equipment.

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it depends on how much you take investigations i guess. some may spend more than others. Its up to that person. The equipment list goes on and on what we have for invests and Ghost watches if we do them.
Maybe its all about how much they enjoy doing it and if they want to be part of that team for a Long time.

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Filters for my camera
Digital voice recorder
IR Thermometer
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pens, paper etc

Not a lot, but when I have only £30 a month left our of my wages once bills are paid its a LOT of money.

OK so its my gear, but then I can afford to buy a few bits. The theres PLI, Webhosting costs, and the fact we are trying to establish a kitty to buy our own equipment as a North East team.

I'd personally rather not do ghostwatches or whatever you wish to call them. But if people want to come along I will give 110% I want them to be interested in what we do and If I thought they were being fleeced I would not take part and end my involvement in that team.

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My sentiments exactly Anth. I don't think any of us enjoy doing 'ghost watches' but they are a necessary evil and a means to an end. We always put 100% into out guest nights too and have been having some great feedbac,k which makes it worthwhile.

I just don't like it when people just mouth off about groups doing guest nights without being in command of any of the facts.

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Aye Agreed anth. Ghost watches anit my Fav at all and we maybe do 1 or 2 a year if that dont we! We do more Team only Stuff and private ones.
Teams do give others a bad name and i think its a shame as we are not Also PLI we have investigated places where you have to have PLI that anit cheap either but very handy to have

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Aye PLI is very handy, we wouldn't be without it now.

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I don't like to see people getting ripped off. The "big" ghost groups charge a lot more than most others and are obviously in it for the money as there's absolutely no investigation going on, it's about giving people a thrill and getting the cash from them.

We haven't done any guest nights ourselves yet but we've got a couple laid on now. We're charging for them and the money we get is going towards buying equipment which will hopefully make future ghost hunts more interesting for the guests involved (and yes, it will also make team only ones better). But what we want to do is make the guest nights a lot more interactive, get the guests working carrying out experiments and so on. Any and all data is useful and if the guests are willing (which we've found they usually are) then everybody wins.


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One of the big problems now is selling the tickets.

People just dont have spare cash now.
What can be done to attract people? well nothing really if you set the price too low, theres got to be a reason, too high and its a rip off.

Yet people will pay stupid amounts to go and watch football.
Or £40 to go see some old men AKA Metallica at the Newcastle Arena last night!

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I think as with all services people need to see that they're getting something good for the money. Maybe it's a simple case of advertising, creating a web page for example that pushes the location and what the team hopes or expects to find and what's going to be happening on the night.


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The credit crunch is kicking in .. This time last year we were selling places out some 2 months in advance .. now, its usually the week beforehand which puts the willies up you when your facing a large location bill!!

In the context of a night out - as Anth says - people will spend £40 to watch a 1.5 hour football match and think nothing of it ... or £40 to get pissed, get a pizza, get laid and get their head caved in by a drunken smackhead .. so 9 / 10 hours in a haunted castle looking for ghosts isn't bad in comparison if you've got the interest ..

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And people will pay more, a lot more if you look at some sites.


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And its those sites which in turn cause the locations to up their prices which in turn groups like NGI have to .. We know an article about that, don't we Dok?? - coming soon! :mrgreen:

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We do indeed Jay. I was going to enquire about that tonight. :D

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This'll be interesting. :)

C'mon then gis a clue

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Well Anth, I've just had a go at writing a short article about the current state of groups paying for locations. It should be doing the rounds pretty shortly.

Whether people agree with it or not is not really the point. The main aim is to address that there is a problem and hopefully get more people talking about it.

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I've just been looking through our teams list of ghost watches and the prices vary.

some good some bad. Michelham priory is quite expensive, but I'd hazard a guess that its more to do with the cost of the venue.

It is really annoying and I personally would support anythign that named and shamed venues into lowering the prices.

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Yeah, we'll talk about it tonight Mark - its on my list of things to do but I just not got to it yet ..

The truth is sadly, the prices won't come down .. they've drawn the line in the sand and they won't budge. Prices never go down - only up. I hear people say how PCs are so cheap today compared to the past .. they're not - the top of the ranges are still the same price .. we just have more of a choice at the lower end than what we did. No .. prices don't come down.

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Anth, there's absolutely no naming and shaming going on. It's not really a whingy piece either, just a representation of the current state we find ourselves in, but you never know it might help.

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Yeah, we'll talk about it tonight Mark - its on my list of things to do but I just not got to it yet ..

The truth is sadly, the prices won't come down .. they've drawn the line in the sand and they won't budge. Prices never go down - only up. I hear people say how PCs are so cheap today compared to the past .. they're not - the top of the ranges are still the same price .. we just have more of a choice at the lower end than what we did. No .. prices don't come down.



Actually PC prices have come down.
They have come down dramatically over the last 10 years or more.

the key is looking at what you get for your money as opposed to how much it costs.

1996 a Pentium 133 was the fastest processor out there (well was when I bought my P75) and would cost upwards of £2000
With this you got a 14" monitor, a 1Mb PCI graphics card,8Mb ram,1Gb hard drive, a soundcard and a 4X CDrom drive. Small 5w speakers if you were lucky and the usualy keybaord and mouse. It came with windows 95.

Nowadays £2000 gets you:
Intel quadcore 2.93Ghz processor
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2GB ATI Radeon HD graphics card
8Gb Ram
Blue ray combo drive (Cd DVD Burner, blue ray player)
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so you get more for your money, which means prices have to have come down.

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Ah .. what you get is more value for money yes, but the relative price hasn't come down .. my first ever PC was close to top of the range and cost almost £1800 .. Yes, I may be able to get much better now for cheaper - but for the relative same level of machine - close to top of the range, would still be knocking you back for £1800 .. if not more.

As I said above - we get more choice now and a wider range for £400 because 15 years ago, there just wasn't the leway to make it worthwhile - but really, in power terms, those £400 PCs today are the equivelent to top of the range 6 year ago and are kids PCs compared to the £1800 to £2500 range ...

Ok, I should have said relative price .. stop being picky Anth!! :mrgreen:

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Ok, I should have said relative price .. stop being picky Anth!! :mrgreen:




Hey i'm having my turn now, every bugger else is picky lol :mrgreen:

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wey i must be one of the few people who would rather go on a ghost hunt than get pissed :lol:


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