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PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 9:51 pm 
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When do you think youll be doing this place again, if infact you are????

Me and scips have an experiment wed like to try out which is aimed at a service enviroment.

So when do you think youll be going back???????????

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i asked this a while ago but nowts been said :cry: only live 5mins away from it!!


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Given the cost of the place it will probably be unlikely for a good while.

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have they booted it up again :shock:


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have they booted it up again :shock:



Everywhere is booting the prices up, castle keep has increased substantially, Heugh gun battery has, Souter lighthouse will be ridiculous when it opens.

Its a damned disgrace.

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I totally agree, something has to be done.... but what?
It's even worse when groups are forced to do guest nights to be able to get access to places, then they are always the ones who are attacked for making s**t loads of dosh out of the general public and not the venues themselves.

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I've heard the price for NEAM is not too bad, because its per head.

But it depends what people think is reasonable.

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A per-person charge is fine for a team only invest because they tend to be small affairs (and as long as people are prepared to dip their hand in their pockets!) - whereas for a guest night its ridiculous and you need a flat fee for that.

A flat-fee means that the cost per guest reduces the more guests you have and you can actually show a little profit at the end of it to put towards equipment .. Whereas the per-person charge means all the cash (and lots of it with more guests) goes to the location and you end up doing the night for free when all other expenses are taking into account (unless you charge a crazy amount) because the per person charge also applies to the team.

So has The Keep definitely gone up? We're booked to go in March and Paul said he'd give us a call if it they decided to raise it up.

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Word on the streets is that it has gone up by around

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everyone now is thinking they can make money out of this and it IS all because of most haunted :roll:


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The main issue - yeah, MH doesn't help - is that when something becomes popular people will look to make money. Supply and Demand. We resisted for years from going down the guest route (and even joined an organisation which protested against extortionate fees levied by the locations). But .. there comes a time where you either give up and never go out anywhere or pay up.

There used to be a time when 9 / 10 locations you phoned to enquire about getting in where free or very minimal in what you have to pay .. now its the opposite.

My biggest gripe is the locations getting the cash for doing nothing but opening their doors. Ok, pay for a member of the staff to stay to open up and lock up .. but beyond that the costs are non-existant and its pure profit for them for doing nothing (we don't even use their electricity for the lights FFS!!) .

And some of the prices are obscene and I would never agree to booking them just out of principle. Sadly, its the guest who has to pay for it and any profits for the groups (who are doing all the work) is minimal at best - barring those piss-takers who'll charge

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I didn't know we used to be part of an organisation Jay. What happened to it?

I think that the this topic would form the basis for a good article in somewhere like paranormal magazine.

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I didn't know we used to be part of an organisation Jay. What happened to it?

I think that the this topic would form the basis for a good article in somewhere like paranormal magazine.


Thats not a bad idea, maybe just maybe, it will help bring the costs down.

I'd much rather be told, sorry we dont allow that kind of thing, than be told a stupidly high price....like those English heritage provide.

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It wasn't an "organisation" as such. Some bloke was trying to get a consensus against the over-charging of locations to groups and also against the groups that did it purely for the money - which in turn, caused the locations to constantly up their prices and we stuck our name to it and became a supporting member.

In truth tho, we knew it was pissing against the wind and it was going to go more and more this way but we dug our heels in and were one of the last "old" groups to go down the guest path.

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I just think that the more people who are informed what is happening the better as it is starting to get stupid. I'm fed up with people thinking that groups who run guest nights are just in it for the money. I'm not even opposed to those organisations who want to make a business out of this 'ghost hunting' lark (even though it's not really for me), I am however opposed to location doing bugger all and coining in most of the profits as Jay has said. At the end of the day it is the groups and Joe public who are losing out in the long run.

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There are still some "good" locations out there that charge the minimum for the night and yes, they'll make a little profit from it - and from those you can make a little money to pump into the group - but when averaged out on a per location basis - it ain't much. The Keep is / was one of them.

Some locations say

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Maybe you could "deputise" all the guests and make them into team members for the night.


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that has been done a few times scips hehehehehe!!!

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Oh yes the Castle Keep is now £300.
for whoever mentioned the NEAM. We r going there soon,
Not my fav place But got some good Experiments to set up :P

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I just think that the more people who are informed what is happening the better as it is starting to get stupid. I'm fed up with people thinking that groups who run guest nights are just in it for the money. I'm not even opposed to those organisations who want to make a business out of this 'ghost hunting' lark (even though it's not really for me), I am however opposed to location doing bugger all and coining in most of the profits as Jay has said. At the end of the day it is the groups and Joe public who are losing out in the long run.


Mark Teams do Ghost Watches to get money lol
People say they do them but not for the money of cos people do.
they do it to help towards costs like Running of the websites, Equipment and its when people and certain teams put money in their back pockets then that is the main issue. :) If people are putting money towards equipment and websites i dont see a Prob with that its when they keeping it for themselves now that is Soooooo Wrong lol

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I just think that the more people who are informed what is happening the better as it is starting to get stupid. I'm fed up with people thinking that groups who run guest nights are just in it for the money. I'm not even opposed to those organisations who want to make a business out of this 'ghost hunting' lark (even though it's not really for me), I am however opposed to location doing bugger all and coining in most of the profits as Jay has said. At the end of the day it is the groups and Joe public who are losing out in the long run.


Mark Teams do Ghost Watches to get money lol
People say they do them but not for the money of cos people do.
they do it to help towards costs like Running of the websites, Equipment and its when people and certain teams put money in their back pockets then that is the main issue. :) If people are putting money towards equipment and websites i dont see a Prob with that its when they keeping it for themselves now that is Soooooo Wrong lol


Well I think that teams who put money into their own pockets are probably very much in the minority and it would not be something I would be interested in, but on the other hand is it SO wrong? As long as people are getting value for money on guest nights, it's just the same as running a commercial venture. It's not as if anyone is being conned or anything.

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yes it wud be wrong as Teams say "We are no a non-Profit organisation" lol So if say u say that to someone that you are a non profit team and yet u are taking the money then yea people are been conned..

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I never mentioned teams stating that they are 'a non-Profit organisation' and then making a profit, I was just on about teams in general. If this was the case they it would maybe be a bit dishonest.

Do you know for a fact that there teams that state this and then put the profits in their back pocket Andrea?

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Yes I know a team who have done this in the past.. Terrible!
They are not a team no more they were found out...
It gives other teams a bad name as people may think we are the same and as u know we are not :)

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That's good to know. I'm sure most teams out there are just trying to do the best they can. Do you think it's ok for teams to do guest nights to save up for equipment Andrea?

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