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Author:  Ian-sp [ Fri Nov 18, 2011 12:50 pm ]
Post subject:  the digital age

as from the post i made about the human mind, with this digital age can we really rely on technology to help us find proof of the paranormal?

take digital cameras amd camcorders because a digital camera lens only takes so much of the image and the rest of it is made up by the ccd sensor, images can be over exagerated, take orbs for example, a refelction of light from dust or something else is picked up by the camera lens then because the ccd dosent know how to interpret this extra light it does the best it can and exagerates it. which creates orbs and alot of other light anomolies caught on camera, the same occurs when there is motion in the shot. or out of focus objects,

the higher the quality camera the less of this effect you get and with the digital slr camera you get even less due to the bigger ccd sensor. but at the end of the day they still rely on this digital sensor to do most of the work. where a standard slr camera takes an exact image of what they see.

so my point again can you really rely on this technology and the fact that with digital technology you get easy access to evidence manipulation.

Author:  doktor_phibes [ Fri Nov 18, 2011 1:00 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: the digital age

It's food for thought. I suppose this kind of stuff is good for backing up personal experience. Did you really see what you thought you saw? But as for presenting it to others as 'evidence' you would certainly have your work cut out for you.

Author:  Anth [ Fri Nov 18, 2011 1:04 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: the digital age

I use a DSLR camera on investigations. More recently we were investigating a location where one of the team were getting lots of orbs.

Normally the DSLR does not capture them due to the extra depth of view, but on this one occasion i did capture one. Now I am not a believer in orbs, I understand only too well the limitations of point and click digital cameras, in fact I think they are the spawn of satan to be honest.
And I know that the image I captured is infinately more likely to be dust or a reflection (possibly from another cameras flash)
I also use long exposure zero flash to capture images and not a single one of them has ever shown an orb....with obvious reasons, nothing to reflect...but if they were energy it would surely still see them?

Author:  Ian-sp [ Fri Nov 18, 2011 1:27 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: the digital age

the dslr cameras are deffo better for paranormal photography than standard digital the problem with compacts is the flash is way too close to the lens so the lens detects alot more light reflection than dslr and also the small ccd sensor size.

i use a panasonic lumix fz45 which is a bridge camera full digital but looks and works like a dslr, and like anth i hardly ever capture orbs,

normally the light it reflected off part of the dust itself which is why on some images yoy get so many orbs especially with compact cameras.

and i agree anth if orbs were pure energy and actually did look like they do on photos then why can we not see them and, again yeah even a camera without a flash would pick them up, which points to the fact they are obviously really just reflected light.

that just prooves we cannot rely on a standard run of the mill digital camera maybe if we all had dslr cameras the world would be more or less an orb free one :lol:

Author:  AprilButterfly [ Fri Nov 18, 2011 4:03 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: the digital age

might invest in one of those camera's. I like my little Vivitar night vision camera, it captures light orb movement.... but Doc keeps saying 'bugs' lol carn't win >>,<<

Author:  doktor_phibes [ Fri Nov 18, 2011 4:11 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: the digital age

I think your little camera is great Ange. It does indeed capture bugs and dust but should anything fantastic happen I'm sure it would capture that too. I want one!

Author:  Anth [ Fri Nov 18, 2011 4:17 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: the digital age

AprilButterfly wrote:
might invest in one of those camera's. I like my little Vivitar night vision camera, it captures light orb movement.... but Doc keeps saying 'bugs' lol carn't win >>,<<



Its not a problem to use, its interesting comparing photos of the same time and place against what I capture.
I think we just need to be aware fo the likely hood of dust etc.

The thing is Angie, to get a DSLR you need to spend about £400
and bridge cameras are very expsensive in the region of £200

So stick with what you got and we can compare results. You show me yours and I'll show you mine ;)
Heh heh

Author:  Ian-sp [ Fri Nov 18, 2011 4:18 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: the digital age

if its what i think it is those little vivitar cameras are great entry level nv cameras

only problem is because of the low resolution lens you gotta be more vigilant with analysing the evidence :D

and i agree anth those dslrs are bloody expensive i wanted one but way out of my price range, and looking at the price of some of the lenses your looking at twice the camera price for some of em

my fiancee paid £289 for my bridge from comet which is a brilliant price for what it can do, 24x optical zoo0000000000000000000000m :lol:

Author:  doktor_phibes [ Fri Nov 18, 2011 4:19 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: the digital age

vigilance is out middle name :D

Author:  Anth [ Fri Nov 18, 2011 4:22 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: the digital age

doktor_phibes wrote:
vigilance is out middle name :D



I thought it was "shiny pants" :mrgreen:

Author:  Anth [ Fri Nov 18, 2011 4:24 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: the digital age

Ian-sp wrote:
if its what i think it is those little vivitar cameras are great entry level nv cameras

only problem is because of the low resolution lens you gotta be more vigilant with analysing the evidence :D

and i agree anth those dslrs are bloody expensive i wanted one but way out of my price range, and looking at the price of some of the lenses your looking at twice the camera price for some of em

my fiancee paid £289 for my bridge from comet which is a brilliant price for what it can do, 24x optical zoo0000000000000000000000m :lol:



My DSLR is discontinued now, the NIKON D40. When I get a new DSLR (after I robbed the bank or NGI get a TV Show) I'm getting the D40 converted to full spectrum.

Author:  doktor_phibes [ Fri Nov 18, 2011 4:24 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: the digital age

I've told you before Anth, they won't fit you, get over it!

Author:  doktor_phibes [ Fri Nov 18, 2011 4:24 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: the digital age

What do you reckon to full spectrum cameras Ian?

Author:  Ian-sp [ Sat Nov 19, 2011 12:40 am ]
Post subject:  Re: the digital age

they are a good tool in a sense as they pick up light that a normal camera cannot due to the reflective ccd. so in a way they see things a normal camera cannot, again wether or not thats paranormal its impossible to say, but they are well worth experimenting with, only downfall with full spectrum is you need a seperate light source to feed them, like an external uv light, or infra red light, as obviously in a pitch black room there is no uv or infra red light. in broad daylight you dont need either. and also seperate lens filters are required depending on what light you want to capture.

but the same argument with normal digi cameras comes into play, is what the full spec camera sees just a reflection of uv or infra red light?

like i said though well worth experimenting with, i wouldnt mind one myself, problem is they cant be used as a normal camera once converted as the relective coating is replaced with a transparent one to allow uv & infra red light into the ccd. so can work out expensive, but if u have the money then why not :D

Author:  doktor_phibes [ Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:06 am ]
Post subject:  Re: the digital age

That's the way I feel about things like full spectrum cameras, and indeed even wacky things like the 'ghost box'. If you've got the dosh, get one and experiment away. There are many people saying how wonderful all theses things are and others stating that they are complete rubbish, so all you can really do is find out for yourself.

Author:  Anth [ Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:37 am ]
Post subject:  Re: the digital age

Well this is the point, without experimenting in none visible spectrums, how do we know theres nothing paranormal in a normal photo?


Ohh I just got into an argument with someone from Yorkshire on the TAPS forum. He thinks protection is needed, that commercail groups are all sound and that I have an ego issue. But he's been investigating for 25 years you know ;)

Author:  doktor_phibes [ Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:41 am ]
Post subject:  Re: the digital age

now I'm guessing he means 'spiritual protection'?
Sound like a fool, I'll have to pop over and read the thread. Have you got a link?

Author:  Anth [ Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:58 am ]
Post subject:  Re: the digital age

yeah: http://www.tapsmainforum.com/index.php? ... #msg900510


But remember I am boasting a bit too ;) and I said we are self funded :P

Author:  doktor_phibes [ Mon Nov 21, 2011 11:00 am ]
Post subject:  Re: the digital age

no worries, nowt wrong with a bit of boasting... and we virtually are self funded anyway.

Author:  Ian-sp [ Mon Nov 21, 2011 11:20 am ]
Post subject:  Re: the digital age

haha protection, why would someone need protection, i want to actually experience something not be protected from it (not that im a believer in that side of things)

Author:  doktor_phibes [ Mon Nov 21, 2011 11:48 am ]
Post subject:  Re: the digital age

I agree and I personally don't see the point in protection. If you're the kind of person who feels like they would like some I see no reason why they shouldn't receive some, but I would also argue if they are best suited to go on a paranormal invo in the first place.

What I find a bit odd is when groups do a big protection ritual at the start of their nights whether people want it or not. This immediately influences people from the outset. I've seen guests on events perfectly happy until talk of 'protection' has come about and then they get all edgy as they didn't realise that they needed to be protected from anything.

Author:  Anth [ Mon Nov 21, 2011 11:57 am ]
Post subject:  Re: the digital age

I'm going to start another thread for this, keep the forum tidy :)


viewtopic.php?f=30&t=6233

Author:  doktor_phibes [ Mon Nov 21, 2011 12:01 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: the digital age

sounds like a good idea.

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