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PostPosted: Sat Jan 02, 2010 11:14 pm 
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 02, 2010 11:26 pm 
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If only people in the ghost-hunting world would take on board what this article says - things would be hunky-dorey .. but most will just dismiss what the article says because, and I quote the article itself :

The reason we’re so resistant to anomalous information — the real reason researchers automatically assume that every unexpected result is a stupid mistake — is rooted in the way the human brain works. Over the past few decades, psychologists have dismantled the myth of objectivity. The fact is, we carefully edit our reality, searching for evidence that confirms what we already believe. Although we pretend we’re empiricists — our views dictated by nothing but the facts — we’re actually blinkered, especially when it comes to information that contradicts our theories. The problem with science, then, isn’t that most experiments fail — it’s that most failures are ignored.

Cherry-picking .. We do it so much and so often we don't even realise it.

Its is THE most important thing we need to understand and grasp in respect of science and the paranormal .. Unfortunately, most of the scientific types ignore that little bit of science .. well, they would, wouldn't they .. :wink:

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 4:19 pm 
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Yeah,tis interesting,I saw it elsewhere and had to pinch it for here!

''Cherry-picking .. We do it so much and so often we don't even realise it.''

Its not something we turn on and off,its what we constantly do,its how 'we' 'exist' as 'we' know it,we just take in,interpret,send out.
Follow the cherry ...........

fuckin ace innit!!!!!!!!!!!

The posibilities are endless!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Unless we want them to have 'end' of course hehehe!!!!!!!!!

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 5:52 pm 
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You've probably done it by cherry-picking that very article .. and I cherry picked a good paragraph from it!

The truth is, as people, we know jack-shit. We think we know about things, but in reality, we know nothing or, at best, somebody elses version of what we think we know abouit .. and that person just got it off someone else.

If I know about "A" (which I read somewhere) and you know about "B" (which you read from somewhere) - collectively, we think we know about "AB" .. But when we put it together and it comes out as "CD" .. we hurrumph a lot and go on and continue our own belief in "A" or "B" individually .. (which is basically saying what the article says).

The entirity of science is like that .. the recent "Climategate" issue is all about that (posted elsewhere). A bunch of scientists claim such a thing as Global Warming and their data doesn't add up .. so they fudge it and twist it so they feel comfortable with their world view and carry on believing that the world is warming up .. (yeah, ermm .. more snow today to follow on from the coldest December for over 12 years!)

And these are the people telling us what to believe ..

Yet people hang on their every word like the Priest-Class of old (but its nowt like religion, honest guv! :wink: ).

The only reality and the only truth that exists is the one you experience yourself. But even thats probably cock-eyed in most cases.

We, as individuals, know jack-shit. Use that base as a starting point and we might get somewhere.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 6:05 pm 
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''You've probably done it by cherry-picking that very article .. and I cherry picked a good paragraph from it!''

I cant see how it is possible not to cherry pick,everything down to everylittle cherry picked little essencesest of the essence of us hehehehehe!!!

I know Jack frost, is he a relative hehehehe!!!

we know what we know,we seem to be obsessed with what we dont know,science and conspiracy stuff is a great example of cherry picking in both extremes,which are one and the same anyway hehehe!

Good example of how you've cherry picked that to bring your climate thing to light again on here hehehehehehe,but of course thats 'fact' innit hehehehe!!!!

believe in ones self if one must believe in anything.....but remember that is only in the eye of the beholder too

why do we 'need' to 'know'.............

what is our investment in 'knowing'?

fuckin hell,whoever patented 'fear' is one of the stringpullers..........and can only be ourselves............

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 6:23 pm 
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pollen101 wrote:
Good example of how you've cherry picked that to bring your climate thing to light again on here hehehehehehe,but of course thats 'fact' innit hehehehe!!!!


Hmm .. is that cherry-picking tho?

We'll often read on here and elsewhere how scientists are completley objective .. they go with the data and nothing else .. the data drives / creates the agenda ..

Well the climate example is a perfect example of where that complete argument breaks down. The agenda (and the money available off the back of it in grants) has driven the science. The figures have been deliberately fudged to continue the agenda.

Now - the point being - if they are prepared to fudge things with something so in our faces such as Global Warming - what and where else is it being done?

So is that example cherry-picked? Only in the sense that its an example of where the Law Of Science Being Objective has been shown to be a complete load of bollox and if its happened once with something major you can gaurentee it will have happened again somewhere.

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cherry picked....loadsa other examples you could have used hehehehehe!!!

Thats cherry picking at a very superficial level tho (to use your 'heirarchal' scale Jay hehe),we cherry pick everything whether we know it or like it.

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Ohhhhhhh .. thats a long vid .. I shall have to watch that another time!

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I'm just watching it now Jay,its worth a watch so far,at the moment,the chicken leg and the shovel made me laugh hehehe!

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Good article. Claire and Jay are making my head hurt but the article is good.

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