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 Post subject: G.S.I Paranormal
PostPosted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 12:13 pm 
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well stumbled across this on youtube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6d2aPHJaWaU

what's people's opinions on there investigations ?


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 Post subject: Re: G.S.I Paranormal
PostPosted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 12:17 pm 
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We've been talking about these amongst ourselves for a while now.
Just popping out but I'll give you my honest opinion later.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 12:19 pm 
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ok no problem, look forward to read your opinion!


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 Post subject: Re: G.S.I Paranormal
PostPosted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 12:39 pm 
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I dont trust him. Theres something about him that i just dont like.

I also dont like the way he self publicises. I mean if you do it all out of the goodness of your heart why produce videos to present on youtube?

I dont think families should be exploited like this, fair enough they probably agreed to it, but it just doesnt sit well with me.

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 Post subject: Re: G.S.I Paranormal
PostPosted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 1:35 pm 
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Well first off I don't think that anyone doing 'genuine' paranormal research takes these guys seriously. Not that this isn't a problem for the field as a whole though as their publicity seeking and TV appearances sometimes makes them seem like the public face of paranormal research to the unsuspecting masses. They clearly want to be 'paranormal celebs' and don't seem to mind how they achieve this.

Now I'm not sure whether they actually believe what they are doing is legitimate or not, but one thing it certainly is, and that is unethical.

When investigating private cases of alleged hauntings you should refrain from using subjective methods such as 'fishing for ghosts' via means of EVP, which seems to be their primary investigation method.

It's also not the best thing to film the people involved and bung it on Youtube for all to see, although I bet I can guess their reasons for doing this.

It's even worse to film yourself talking to young children in their bedrooms and then label the film 'Demon Hunt', as shown in one of their videos.

Don't even get me started on the whole Demon thing, which do seem to be pretty thick on the ground if their videos are to be believed. :roll:

I could go on, but most of it's been said before in a much better way than I could. Check out Hayley Stevens blog for instance. Here's a link to one of the entries if you're interested but if you search the blog there are tons more.

http://hayleyisaghost.co.uk/how-not-to- ... criticism/

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 2:03 pm 
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well my opinion (even though i haven't yet watched all of the video) is that he is just suggesting to the people on what the evp say's, when really he should have left it and see what they think and then analyse it later. i mean i am no paranormal expert but that is what i would do.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 2:14 pm 
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Well he does seem to TELL them what the EVPs 'say', and keeps on going until they agree in a lot of cases.

In my opinion they are not remotely connected to spirit, but despite my opinion, the real crux of the matter is that there is no proof that they are connected to spirit even if (and that's a big if) they are.

In which case is it therefore ethical to do this in peoples homes? The answer has to be no.

You have to stick to facts in these king of cases and you have to leave your belief systems and delusions of grandeur at the door.

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i agree with most of what you say,

on the subject of evp's, what are they? i mean most evp's can be explained with static noises and sound matrixing (is that the word?) sometimes there are very clear voices that can be heard and that make me wonder (assuming they have not been added) where they come from?


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 Post subject: Re: G.S.I Paranormal
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Yeah, most EVP are a result of 'sound matrixing', apophenia, audio pareidolia, call it what you will.

As for the 'clearer' recordings that are unmistakably voices, there could be numerous reasons for them.

In most cases it was someone (living) actually speaking that no one was aware of at the time, you'd be surprised at how often this happens in uncontrolled environments even if everyone 'swears blind' no one was speaking. The recorders autogain circuit sometimes amplify people whispers too.

Digital recorders have been shown that they can pick up radio transmissions on occasion, which may also account for some of these recording too.

Or it may in fact be spirit I suppose, but the problem with that is how you can prove it. Don't get me wrong, I'm not anti-evp, but it all about when experiments like this are employed and what interpretations you give to them. I have to say that GSI are way off.

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ahh i see, thanks for your input. i do find evp's interesting, also for the people who want evidence (sceptics and what have ya) who ever presents them evidence won't be good enough for them as they will always discount it. so what will be evidence to them?


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Well I'm a believer that paranormal events do indeed happen and I believe I've experienced a couple, but I do like to think I've got a sceptical way of looking at things and I think if you're serious about paranormal investigation you have to employ a degree of scepticism or else your just a slave to your belief system or just plain gullible.

I think that when EVPs are presented as 'evidence' in at attempt to 'prove' the paranormal, you are never going win for the reasons I've stated above. Even if you do have a genuine spirit voice, the very fact that it could be (and most probably is) caused by other things is going to throw doubt on it as being proof.

At the end of the day proof is proof and it should hold up to scrutiny even against the toughest of sceptics. After saying that there is a lot of compelling stuff out there that I think does deserve further investigation, and I do think that there is a proportion of the sceptical community that are too quick to dismiss things based on their belief system without actually looking into things further.

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yeah i know your a believer that paranormal events do indeed happen, i meant that there are sceptics out there that will disprove any evidence and they will say there is always a logical explanation.


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 Post subject: Re: G.S.I Paranormal
PostPosted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 3:30 pm 
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well I suppose it's their job. It when their lazy about it that really annoys me, but I suppose that goes for people presenting the evidence too.

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EVP's are a curiosity to me, i like them, but to be honest nearly all of the ones that I see as evidence could be anything.

For em to even consider an EVP as evidence, the voice would have to sound at least human....would have to be recognisable as a deceased persons voice and until the audio pattern was matched there would always be a question over it.

There will never be one single piece of evidence that proves or disproves the paranormal, it will be a volume of evidence, several things that alone may not be ground breaking, but together offer the proof either way.

As for psychic ability......Don is without doubt void of psychic ability and morals.

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 Post subject: Re: G.S.I Paranormal
PostPosted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 9:14 pm 
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have any of you guys meet don's team before?


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 Post subject: Re: G.S.I Paranormal
PostPosted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 10:58 pm 
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Not me, and I don't think I would be quick to take up an offer to meet them.

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 Post subject: Re: G.S.I Paranormal
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me neither.

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 Post subject: Re: G.S.I Paranormal
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fair enough.

i was watching another g.s.i video on youtube yesterday, this time some wifey from Hartlepool who was having ghost problems.

one of her experiences was that her oven door smashed by its self, even don said that might not be paranormal could be a design fault and he will look into it and see if other people have had the same trouble with that pacific type of oven......well at least he doesn't take everything as paranormal then lol


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I've seen that one too.

He did go onto state categorically that the lady did have spirits in her house based on no evidence though. Always good to throw in a bit of scepticism first to make your wild claims more legit.

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 Post subject: Re: G.S.I Paranormal
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he's got demons on the mind what a tit

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she should of contacted you guys :wink:


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 Post subject: Re: G.S.I Paranormal
PostPosted: Fri Jul 19, 2013 1:14 pm 
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Well if she had it would have been totally confidential.

Looking at the lack of reports in recent years on our website may make it look as though we've not been up to much but in truth as we've been dealing with private cases there not really that much we can share.

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fair enough i get the confidential side of things, i guess if the client doesn't mind putting segments of the investigation on line then it should't be a problem should it?


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 Post subject: Re: G.S.I Paranormal
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Regarding EVP's and their evidential value....

Has anyone ever tried to do an EVP session whilst the recorder is in a vacuum?

I read a theory that for all spirits cannot talk per say they can manipulate their energy to affect the mechanism that moves inside a voice recorder to create a sound pattern which is then recorded as digital sound (A bit like the magnetic audio track on a cassette) And sometimes environmental interference can cause this mechanism to move and create "false EVP's"...

However, if the digital recorder was placed inside a vacuum (the type you used to see in science lessons in school) and an EVP was captured then it couldn't be discounted....


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 Post subject: Re: G.S.I Paranormal
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good idea to be honest


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