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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 4:54 pm 
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Can a paranormal investigation team have a group consensus when it comes to ghosts and the paranormal if each of its individual members have differing opinions on the subject?

For example, if a journalist asked me about the how NGI conduct an investigation, I would say that we do not necessarily believe in ghosts and we certainly don't go into an investigation looking for them. We approach an investigation with an open mind and look for answers as to what has been causing reported phenomena in a location.

Now I realise that this description is my own personal one and may not sit too well with the more spiritual members of the team. The mediums who claim to talk to spirit certainly 'do' believe in ghosts, so why should they go along with my own views?

Likewise I wouldn't be too happy for them to claim that NGI put forward mediumistic data as evidence of ghosts without being able to back it up with some cold hard facts.

It's a tricky one.

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It is tricky, but do we go in with an open mind? We go in hoping to find the elusive evidence. Thats not really open minded is it?

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Well the whole point in an investigation is looking for evidence as to why something is happening. To look for 'paranormal' evidence is to start off with a fixed idea, the same way as going in to 'disprove' something.

I think it is open minded to look at what is happening, start off with looking at the most likely explanation, and if that gets ruled out, move onto the next most likely.

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I beleive spirit are around all the time, but still have open mind as to what sceptics say and put forward, we have all got different answers to every occurance that may or may not happen. I love the way NGI do not do any fakery in any of their hunts and never create things to happen. Sceptics will always try and proove the mediums wrong, and vice versa, mediums love to prove the exsistance of spirit....

I am just waiting for that day spirit do come forward and give you the biggest sign possible that they are around.... but even if they did, sceptics will still always find an explination

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I'm take a sceptical view on most things as you know, but I wouldn't say that I want to prove mediums wrong. In fact I would love to see proof that they are indeed right. I just can't accept what they say as proof without much better evidence. What kind of an investigator would I be if I always took things at face value?

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It sounds difficult to have a group consensus. The way I see it happening is if a team is working well together then they may be able to agree on something, but that is probably always going to rely on someone putting aside their own thoughts for the sake of the group.

And because the paranormal polarises opinion so much, it does look like it would be difficult to have true consensus within a group if everyone stayed true to their formed opinions. But because in a good group the individuals can put aside their own opinions (hopefully!) for the sake of the team, then I think it might just be possible..then again, knowing paranormal groups, I'm probably talking b******s.. :wink: :lol:


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Well NGI seem to have been managing this very well of late, but I do agree that a group consensus would virtually impossible in a team with a mixture of beliefs. A mixed team is far better though as it's constantly throwing up questions and idea in the group.

I think group 'policy' is more important than consensus. For instance, NGI have 'policy' of not using mediums in private cases (except for extreme cases), but we're quite happy to have the in the team.

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I would argue that we dont openly use mediums. Sometimes their input is worth it even if it is only to re-affirm that theres nothing supernatural going on. At least then we have covered every eventuality.
Thats not to take anything away from our sensative friends, both I feel are reliable, trustworthy and a credit to NGI. (I just sometimes feel I give them a bit of a hard time, although its usually all tongue in cheek)

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Fair point Anth.

I feel like I give our mediums a hard time too and have apologised on a number of occasions. It's credit to them that they put up with it.

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doktor_phibes wrote:
A mixed team is far better though as it's constantly throwing up questions and idea in the group.


Definitely.

doktor_phibes wrote:

I think group 'policy' is more important than consensus. For instance, NGI have 'policy' of not using mediums in private cases (except for extreme cases), but we're quite happy to have the in the team.


So does policy help to set the boundaries of the group do you think?


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Well over the years you learn what work s best, what doesn't and what the pitfalls are with certain things, so it makes sense to have some sort of policy.

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That's one of the things I like about NGI (from what I know) learning from experience, and developing as a group. Would be good advice to any other groups out there, of any type, not just paranormal groups.


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I've just realised what a bunch of old codgers NGI is. Our youngest member is 35!

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Ah but 40 is the new 30 - apparently..

http://www.medicineonline.com/news/12/6 ... e-Age.html


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Just realised that link is 7 years old now...so its even better now, surely? :wink:


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so why do I ache so much?

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would I be the youngest member Dok?

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Joint youngest according to our 'meet the team page', except for Carol implying she's in her twenties but she lies!

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Well that April is older than me so nyer nyer :P

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then you are the youngest (even though I look it :P )

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now now boys ;) lol, you carn't be THAT much younger then me Anth :P surley..

I love the sceptics giving the mediums a hard time ;) its a challenge, but thats what I love and I will always try my best to get as much proof as I can, but even 100% proof will never be good for the sceptics :P

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Same age aint we Anth... ahh and btw, I am no longer 35, dare I say it, I am 36 :? my profile needs updating ;) >>nudge to Jay<< and yea and the blogs :P access lol

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Same age aint we Anth... ahh and btw, I am no longer 35, dare I say it, I am 36 :? my profile needs updating ;) >>nudge to Jay<< and yea and the blogs :P access lol



9th June 1976, I'm still 35 ..........Yeah baby!

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