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wow that must be absolutely loads then mark - excellent!!!!

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I take it the guy on the top right of Lees pic, is that randi bloke then?


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thats him....with his eyebrows hehehe!

Hes got a big webby and forum with some interesting stuff on and some not so interesting stuff on Bekki............

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pollen101 wrote:
thats him....with his eyebrows hehehe!

Hes got a big webby and forum with some interesting stuff on and some not so interesting stuff on Bekki............


Oh yeah and whats his website called.


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http://www.randi.org/site/

Anyone who names an Education Foundation after themselves is one arrogant stuck up twat .. hence why there is a strong Anti-Randi movement .. read Marks jokey thread on "Credible Teams" to see just how oh true all the suggestions made were when in regards to Randi .. :mrgreen:

Even Cynical Debunkers hate Randi!

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So is this the guy Claire wants to invite to an invo?


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There is no way that Randi would come on an NGI invo Bekki, I think Claire was just being hypothetical.

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Don't be so hasty ... Iain spent some time with him and David Blaine last weekend .. :wink: .. hence why Claires brought it up I think ..

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Now David Blaine, I wouldn't mind, but I think this Randi guy would be just toooo much


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well thats what I thought Bekki but apparently it was the other way round!
I wonderd what you all would think of someone like Randi coming out on an invo, someone who is a debunker etc.
I'd be interested in someone like Randis take on a group like us ; I'd be interested to see if we were anything like the preconcieved ideas a debunker may have etc

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We will be exactly like his preconceived ideas, even if we're not. You don't expect to admit that he may be wrong about something do you?

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hehehe well thats what I'd be interested in finding out!

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Well if you want to send him an invite I won't stop you. I could make him a nice cup of coffee on the invo :twisted:

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hehehe dont think I'll be sending him an invite!
Just wondered what people would make of the idea of him coming out with us. Cos people seem to love all the top celeb mediums (barring my fave bless him hehehe!Actually the only one I like apart from Ralph too sorry Ralph but I like you both for different reasons xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx this is getting shifty now I'll shut up, Ralph I like for his interestingness and knowledge, Accorah I like to watch cos he makes me smile) but people seem to have an automatic aversion to the other approach to this and I find that interesting.

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I like Acorah as well. I don't have a problem with professional sceptics, it's debunkers like Randi I have a problem with. They're a bad a the squeaky floorborders but just the other side of the coin. Actually forget that, most squeaky floorborders are in fact nice people, whole Randi most certainly is not.

Saying that, I suppose it would be good to have one on an invo sometime as it would create an interesting debate if nothing else.

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ha now its exactly that 'creakyfloorboarders - nice! skepticaldebunkers - nasty!' perception which I find interesting...........why people presume that and why people choose those angles to approach things from either the CF or the SD cos I'm with you Mark it is all one and the same thing, people reinforcing their belief system of choice. Often, with a deeper look thiscan actually be the oppotite hence the reaction........and the opposite in whos nice and who aint!

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I think it is because when people like Randi call it all nonsense, he is kind of saying that people such as myself (who is most certainly not a creaky floorboader) who believe in the paranormal are somehow deluded. That pisses me off, especially when I feel I look at things logically and then have to listen to him jumping to conclusions and making sweeping gereralisations. At least the creaky floorboarders just get on with things and don't make me feel any negatives from them. Hence Debukers BAD, Floorboarders GOOD in my eyes, even though they are really the same.

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hmmmmm, interesting!
Are you sure thats what hes saying....not your interetation of it?
How is he saying you or others like you are deluded Mark?Is he actually saying it to your personally, people like you or people who do what you do and believe what you believe?Or is he maybe suggesting this directly or indirectly and your putting a 'reaction' to this in your interpretation.
Deluded in what way?That is doesnt exist because he can show you this or deluded because this is what he thinks.....?
I'm not saying either, I'm not sure either way and rpobably wouldnt be unless I met him myself anyway and talked to him; one thing I've noticed is the knee jerk reaction people often have which can cause them to see what they want to see, hear what they want to hear, interpret how they want to interpret. Maybe be accurate may not be.............however this can lead to whole tangents which are based on an interpretation of something which is a valid personal one but not maybe what the person was actually meaning, intending or actually saying in the first place. Then this gets repeated and its classic chinese whisphers.Classic media tactics too hehehehe!
Creaky floorboarders I have found to be every bit as 'bad' as you are percieving the SD's.....how could they not be hehehehe!Just because someone says 'bollox loada shite' and someone says 'love and light' doesnt give an accurate indication of intention or true meaning hehehehehe..............

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Well he doesn't say it quite that way now. A couple of lost court cases has made him more wary of firing off wild accusations these days. The fact is he thinks it is all a load of 'flim flam' (the title of his book). If he can replicate an effect in a totally different way that it was originally experienced, that is the mystery solved in his opinion.

If I am indeed just seeing what I want to see in Randi then he's right. I am deluded.

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You could be an argument forward that the cynics and debunkers put forward about TV mediums .. They are making a lot of money out of it .. Well, although a decent magician in his own right - Randi is also making a lot of money at the opposite end of the scale .. So if we can't take TV mediums seriously because they are making a lot of money - why take Randi seriously for exactly the same reason? Good for goose and all that ..

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I was coming to that hehehe, got sidetracked by the perception of it.....

Thais is where I was going with it.To me, all the people at the 'top' all seem to be pissing out of the same pot anyway and its the daft buggers who take things word for word and in thier own interpretations of things that breath life into the divide without seeing stuff for what it is.....all the same thing just different approaches to it...................I cant get why others cant see that tho.....??????

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I like this story:

http://paranormalreview.co.uk/News/tabi ... fault.aspx

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James Randi

The January 2000 issue of Dog World magazine included an article on a possible sixth sense in dogs, which discussed some of my research. In this article Randi was quoted as saying that in relation to canine ESP, "We at the JREF [James Randi Educational Foundation] have tested these claims. They fail." No details were given of these tests.

I emailed James Randi to ask for details of this JREF research. He did not reply. He ignored a second request for information too.

I then asked members of the JREF Scientific Advisory Board to help me find out more about this claim. They did indeed help by advising Randi to reply. In an email sent on Februaury 6, 2000 he told me that the tests he referred to were not done at the JREF, but took place "years ago" and were "informal". They involved two dogs belonging to a friend of his that he observed over a two-week period. All records had been lost. He wrote: "I overstated my case for doubting the reality of dog ESP based on the small amount of data I obtained. It was rash and improper of me to do so."

Randi also claimed to have debunked one of my experiments with the dog Jaytee, a part of which was shown on television. Jaytee went to the window to wait for his owner when she set off to come home, but did not do so before she set off. In Dog World, Randi stated: "Viewing the entire tape, we see that the dog responded to every car that drove by, and to every person who walked by." This is simply not true, and Randi now admits that he has never seen the tape.

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http://www.sheldrake.org/controversies/randi.html

Aint Just Randi he's had issues with. This bloke is very interesting if you've not checked him out. hes a sceintist who is well aware of the 'machine' that is science..............

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ooooh is that your new logo Orbi!
I like your face,dont look much like you but I still like it!!!
It's great to have a Frenemy like you, everyone should have one.. :P

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lol These Debates still going on!
End of the day no matter what anyone believes, dont believes etc we all have our own views on things and some of us refuse to conform to others way of thinking just because the majortiy may think the same, hense why its best to have believers and sceptics on the same team which is what we have. Even as a Sceptic i respect others views as i wouldnt ram my views down believers throats and i sure as hell wouldnt let them do the same :) Al out views are as important as the next..

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