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 Post subject: Re: DEREK ACORAH
PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 7:44 pm 
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I am at the moment reading a book! Yes i can actually read LOL

Anyway, i got to a chapter last night were an investagative journlist goes behind the scenes on a most haunted live.
He is escorted everywhere as is another journalist. They werent allowed to even go to the loo on there own. When one of them was found standing listening to yvette and derek chatting while the cameras were off, he was excorted back to his "spot" by a burly security guard. He was then told not to move or wander off.
Anyway a short time after while they were off air during a comercial break a some noise was heard in the bushes, then a shadow was seen by yvette and derek, they inlcuding the two journalists rushed off towards the area, and along with some security guards looked to see if they could see any reason why they had seen a shadow.
The security guards rushed head long into the bushes and trees and began shouting, there were some kids larking about.
This was told to yvette but when they came back off the break, yvette said excitedly that while theyd been off air theyd all witnessed noises and seen a black shadow. No mention of the kids was made!
At one point in full conversation with sam with the cameras on him, derek was relaying the information to the audience, the journalist was watching intently because derek was in full flow and very animated and excited. Whilst derek was talking yvette said aww we have to hand back to the studio, as soon as shed done that derek calmly turned round lit a fag and said no more on the subject.
Can mediums switch there information on and off like that!

Abit further down in the chapter one of the journalists needed to use the loo, so escaping from the security guard headed off.
He took a slight detour (on purpose) and ended up in the van of the script holder. He pinched one of her scripts, shoved it down his trousers and headed to the loo.
He quickly looked at the script. It was the running order of the show for that night.
In it, it said yvette and derek talking, short break, dereks happenings.
Abit further down it said again, yvette and derek talking, dereks happenings.
He was gobsmacked.
All dereks possessions and information giving WAS SCRIPTED

So if derek acorah is a medium and picking up on genuine information, surely it cant be scripted!

So is that faking??????



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 8:21 pm 
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Not necessarily .. again .. we have to stop looking at it in such a dualistic fashion .. There isn't any black and white ..

Now I'm only going on what you typed Hairy Mary .. but if it said in the script "Dereks Happenings" then that doesn't necessarily mean what Degsy was saying or getting was scripted - it probably means time set aside for him to do his stuff ..

Once again jumping to conclusions based on preconceived ideas .. Its different thing entirely to a script which is written out saying exactly what Degsy says on camera .. If I remember right about MH .. there are many things that Degsy used to say (and other mediums since) where it then comes on the bottom of the screen something like " .. no record of a Herbert Walsh can be found .." or somesuch .. Yeah, MH is proper faking stuff there and basically saying their mediums are getting stuff wrong - much better to say on the bottom " .. oohh What a star! Our mediums have got another hit! This is so real and not faked at all!!"

We set aside at the beginning of our investigations for our mediums "happenings" .. it doesn't mean what they are saying is scripted .. it means that time is set aside for them to be the focus of things and to reel off what they are picking up ..

Now yes .. again .. If the script is fully written out then that's different .. but, if so .. it does raise a couple of questions :

Where is the script? As someone said earlier on this thread - it would be huge news given the popularity of MH if a script appeared showing it was all a con .. seems as tho we're playing the evidence game around here these days .. wheres the script? Or are we just taking someone else's word for it because it supports what we believe??? :wink:

Secondly, to follow on from that, don't you find it highly suspicious that a journo - shackled at the ankle to a security guard all broadcast - manages to escape and just happens to find himself somewhere with a script lying around? :? .. So again, where is the script?

There are a lot of people with agendas out there - both for and against - in any topic and we all have to be careful in what we read and see and judge for ourselves based on an unbiased view of both sides .. I know someone, who I trust and who worked on MH in the first two series and he told me point blank that none of it is a set-up and Degsy is a " .. bloody good medium .. " ..

So who do we believe? A journo - who aren't known for their scruples at the best of times - or someone who I know personally who worked on MH and was on screen for quite a few of them for two full series ..?

Either? Both? Neither? Totally depends on what we believe in the first place because neither of the claims will be accepted by those who hold the opposite view.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 8:25 pm 
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I just cannot accept that you are even trying to defend it.
I really really am gobsmacked that you find an ounce of credibility in the show. :shock:

In fact I am disappointed that you think Derek Accorah is anything but a charlatan.

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Jay likes to play devil's advocate and often turns what some people think to be a simple argument into a long winded debate - such as this one :wink: This is what forums are about - discussion and getting to the bottom of things.

Personally I cant stand DA and do believe he is a fraud but I'm not denying he has a degree of talent otherwise he'd have not got to where he is by now!

As time goes on I'm becoming less interested in mediums and more interested in how I feel, personally, when I'm in a location - it interests me how sometimes you pick up on a sensation or emotion and think where the fk did that come from. It's far more interesting to sense something yourself than have someone telling you all this stuff is going on around you that you cant sense or see.

I've even lost interest in using my gadgets :shock: All I want is the experiences now.

What would be interesting is when I'm experiencing something, a medium would say to me that at that particular moment a spirit was showing me this emotion and could describe how I felt or would have felt without me letting on that anything had happened. Then I would start to feel more open towards them.

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Sadly, neither of us know the guy so its impossible for us to pass judgement .. and even more impossible to pass judgement on a persons character based on one or two instances pushed forward by people who have obvious agendas.

I'm not defending MH and I'm not defending Degsy .. What I'm doing (and what I do all over this forum) is challenging knee-jerk black and white judgements .. Neither of us know what goes on behind the scenes of MH because both of us are just outside oberservers .. what we have are little tid-bits of information .. some for and some against .. nowhere near enough to make an informed judgement.

When someone says : "I know this for certain" .. I ask : "Yeah, but what if?" .. and I do that because, despite what people may claim, we don't know ..

Given that niether of us are mediums .. niether of us know how it really works .. niether of us know how they receive the information .. and .. niether of us know how they interpret the information .. how can either of us claim one person is fake and one person isn't based on such limited information? That isn't me defending MH or Degsy .. thats me challenging the preconcieved ideas that we have and how they colour our perception.

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Lee wrote:
Jay likes to play devil's advocate and often turns what some people think to be a simple argument into a long winded debate - such as this one :wink:


<shock> What do you mean?? I'm hurt ... :cry:

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This is what forums are about - discussion and getting to the bottom of things.


Ahhhh .. thats better .. :D

Thing is .. there is no "simple argument" .. one thing I've found out over the years is that everyone is right and everyone is wrong .. and so sticking to a point regardless gets you nowhere and could in fact cut you off from other avenues of exploration .. To coin a phrase : I go where the information takes me .. and when I get there I strip it down to it bare bones and look at it from every angle and don't quickly jump to conclusions.

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I've even lost interest in using my gadgets :shock: All I want is the experiences now.


Best way to be .. don't judge or get hung up on the whys and wherefores .. just observe and experience .. you'll probably get more answers that way.

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I like the fact that Jay sees things differently and puts other points and ideas across.

But, and this is my final say on this one, LOL (honestly)
There is a hell of alot of evidence to say that derek acorah in particular has and does fake stuff. On the other hand there is no actual evidence to say hes in contact with spirit or sam.
If he was getting information about historical events on these shows then youd expect that he would get more facts correct. Be more accurate, dates times names and places, and how many times has he been seen to get it wrong.
Now maybe he doesnt do it all the time, but he has done it on enough occasions for it to be noticed by alot of people.

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Awwwww .. shucks .. Hairy likes the way I do stuff ..

He fakes the presentation - probably .. but once more .. in regards to the info he claims to get .. a fake medium is different to a crap medium .. if he or any other medium is way off in their accuracey, then that doesn't mean they are fake .. it means they are crap .. big difference.

See round in a big circle .. If MH was fake .. If the mediums were fake - you'd think they'd get a lot more right than what they do!! .. We can't have it both ways!!! :lol:

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Has anyone else seen those MH clips on You Tube, that show team members banging on furniture after Fielding calls out ! ?

Basically, it proves what the programme is. Utter tosh ! :mrgreen:

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My favourite MH moment was when Derek said ...

" Mary loves Dick " !

Great comedy. :lol:

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yep I seen that last one. Funny but does prove it's not unplanned.

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been funnier if he'd said Karl loves Dick hehehehehehehe!!!!!!!!!!!!

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OMG I see its still goes on :lol:

Derek is a great medium :lol:

I think the only way to solve this is everyone who thinks he's just fake go book a reading with him and then once you've been in to see him, then decide :lol:

He has too much behind him to be a fake and spent many years giving accurate info from spirit :P


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OMG I see its still goes on :lol:

Derek is a great medium :lol:

I think the only way to solve this is everyone who thinks he's just fake go book a reading with him and then once you've been in to see him, then decide :lol:

He has too much behind him to be a fake and spent many years giving accurate info from spirit :P


I figured the scent of Degsy-Bashing would draw you in! Coming to the aid to a wounded animal like that - very honourable! :mrgreen:

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