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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 2:47 pm 
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Here's a totally hypothetical situation:

A paranormal investigation group is called to a house where a women in her early 30s is living with her young child.

She is in a pretty bad state as she is convinced there is an 'evil entity' in her home. She is reporting objects being moved around behind her back, strange whispering and an ominous presence during the hours of darkness. She's started to drink heavily because of this and just wants the 'spirit' to leave her and her daughter alone. She begs the investigators to help her, what should they do and what advice should they give?


This is an area which is full of pitfalls and I'm interested in peoples opinions.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 3:38 pm 
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I think first of all we would have to investigate the reports. Look for evidence etc.
Secondly we would ahve to sensatively tackle the alcohol abuse issue.

Recently I spoke to my Nana who was convinced fo entities in her flat. I told her to put a palm cross on her bedroom wall and she reports everything has settled down.

Its clear that sometimes a lot of these events are figments of the clients imagination.
Personally I would do the investigation and ask some of the spirtualists in to help clear the bad vibes.

We cant do anything medically as we are not doctors. Neither can we ask medical staff to intervene unless she is a danger to herself. We could go to social services, but thats got to be a tough call. If she cant look after herself she cant look after the child.

I think despite investigating, anybevidence would have to be withheld from the client. Even after the spiritualists had done some cleansing.

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Oo I can see this becoming a controversial topic.

Looking at all the evidence thoroughly is crucial but do you really think bringing Spiritualists (or any religious group for that matter) into the equation is a good idea?

It is surely better to start getting to the rout of the problem before putting faith into that kind of thing.

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given the hypothetical state of the person concerned. I'd say its more likely to cure the problem if she thinks its cured.

Liie my nana, she beleived using the palm crosses would help (cos I told her it would) and it has. The power of the mind is amazing.

So if she beleives that say for example Irene can come along, shine a little light say a prayer or two and the ghost and its portal etc will be gone. Then I'd say go for it. Its got more chance of ridding her demons than the house demons.

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While I agree that a placebo effect could possible help in a lot of cases, what if her 'problems' were of a physical nature such as plumbing/electrical issues? The effects would still go on happening after all the prayers and clearing rituals, and the women whilst increasing her belief that there were indeed spirits in her house, would now think that the medium had failed to get rid of them.

This is why I think bringing that kind of thing into play on an investigation at an early stage is a mistake.

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doktor_phibes wrote:
While I agree that a placebo effect could possible help in a lot of cases, what if her 'problems' were of a physical nature such as plumbing/electrical issues? The effects would still go on happening after all the prayers and clearing rituals, and the women whilst increasing her belief that there were indeed spirits in her house, would now think that the medium had failed to get rid of them.

This is why I think bringing that kind of thing into play on an investigation at an early stage is a mistake.




I stated we would look for evidence. Be that EMF, dodgy plumbing....we have to be carefull, none of us are plumbers or electricians as far as I know. So we can only advise on possible likely causes. Theres still no sure fire evidence that says EMF can afflict a person in the way we assume.

Our job is to investigate, not solve. We can only pass on the information we pick up to relevant third parties. Be they Sparkies, Plumbers or spiritualists. We cannot fix the issue.

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Yeah, but if we 'assume' plumbing to be the problem why not bring in a plumber before a medium?

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I think theres a misunderstanding.

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I think first of all we would have to investigate the reports. Look for evidence etc.
Secondly we would ahve to sensatively tackle the alcohol abuse issue.



Then I spoke about my gran, but I didnt make it clear that I was talking about....if no evidence was found then we may assume its an imaginary issue etc...... so call in the spirtualists, let them do their thing and the client may be satisfied that things have been taken care of.

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ah... I see.

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doktor_phibes wrote:
ah... I see.



Sorry got loads of things zooming round my head right now. Not making myself clear is the apparent side effect of it.
I know what I mean but I cant seem to make it clear to others.....ooopsies.

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no worries, it could just have been me being stupid too.

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